RESTRICT POWER NOW!

[DarkStriker97]

After playing a lot, I think power is easier to play against compared to defensive baseliners. I just played Morexxeal in a challenger yesterday, an he was getting to every shot.

[IAmLopes]

Bitching about people who bitch is the ultimate in bitching.


Should we accept things the way they are? Even if we feel there are room for improvement?


I think think this is simply a matter of personal importance for everyone. To some, that Dunlop racket makes the game....they will bitch about that. To others is the fact that the game was too easy and 2K made a tad harder, now they cannot grasp i, lose matchest....and bitch. Some still believe the game needs more tweaking (me). Some just can't get over the fact that Soderling is not in the game, what an outrage! What? No purple socks to go along with my blue haircut?

Bottom line is that everyone is looking for something different in the game. But what matters to majority is gameplay after all, this is a game that meant to be played, not only looked at. Visuals are important, but they take a second role to gameplay in my book. And it shows. Our draws are larger then ever, new players coming in every week, more tournaments, players online shows almost double since the last patch.

People having an edge afraid to lose it, people not having an edge looking to gain one. In between these people and agendas, there are actually some that truly look at the gameplay from neutral position and simply want it to improve, over all.

Bitching about power was here since day one. Was it addressed? No. Why? ...I don't think there is an issue. Sure 100 power is just silly, personally, I just lose that magic "fantasy tennis" feeling when I see my opponent has that. It takes away from my experience, personally. But I cannot say that I lose to these players. I do lose to IR/CPS.

More player balancing updates coming soon guys!

Big thanks to 2K for staying with the product, supporting it.

1st i wasn't bitching, just stating a fact.

2nd saying character lacking or equipment or stuff like that, are second role it's a mistake. Everything is important in a game, you may have a good gameplay but if visuals are awfull, good luck selling it.
And as you said, no need for racket or no soderling and stuff like that, maybe 2K could release a pacth with only one player, one racket, one shirt ...., and you would be happy? If you sell a product the more options you give, the wider the market is.

3rd saying that your draws are larger now then ever because of the pacth, come on, it's stupid and even you know that (lol). And you personally read in here in these boards so many people saying that if they knew the game was going to be like these after the pacth they wouldn't bought the game.
People don't look at the game, on a game store and say "hey look, now we can play 50 ball rallies (come on, it happens sometimes, don't say it doesn't happen), let's buy this, even if the online gameplay doesn't work, yey i'm so happy now" (FIX THE F%$#ING ONLINE MODE)
People who buy the game still think it's the same they have seen from the demo, or from the videos online (youtube, 2k site, etc), and guess what, 90% are pre patch.

I'm not on a rampage mode against this patch, just stating what you've said.

Resuming everything:
I think before 2k released the pacth they should have looked to the real problems of the game, and the gameplay wasn't one of them, coz as you see now, you have much more complains.

Ps: Nothing against you lol, just giving my point of view lol

[djarvik]

1. What you perceive as a fact. It's a forum, people voice their opinion, you label their opinions as "bitching" I labeled yours It's cool that you think that just because you said it it's a fact.

2. Lack of equipment choices doesn't equal lack of equipment. You need to draw the line somewhere. Why not have every racket and every sock that every player ever used? You cannot draw two polar opposite and build your argument on it man. Equipment is there and game play is there, so now, at the current state of the game, what is more important to you? ...better game-play or extra rackets?

You have a lot to learn about business if you think that one variable is enough to succeed. Really? More option equals more market? What about the cost of this option? ...ahh who cares, the more the better!


3. Why is it stupid exactly? Because you said that? Define "so many people" please. 5? 10? 20? 50? So you think 50 opinions is enough to drastically change the game? When you have over 1000 online players daily at the same time in peak hours? Not so sure.

So the constant growth of online players both on WT and ITST means nothing then? Please explain.


...and once again, you "decide" on what is the "real" problem in the game.

...and we actually have less complaints then before. Look it up, forum stores everything.


Nothing personal here man, I just like to argue. Indulge me.

[Imatk]

ahah i find this funny, i really do.

1st, people were complaining about MD/TI a lot, because it was impossible to beat bla bla bla (wich it wasn't) ....

Then 2K released a patch, no more MD/TI (well not as effective that before). The SV players were finally happy coz they could beat almost anyone, yey.

Later, people found out that they could beat those SV players with power, so people started creating power players, now SV players complain.

See the point? People should just shut the f#$% up, and play the game, and probably no patches were made and people would just play as it was.

Now, since the 1st complains made 2k change the game, now everyone complains because theres to much power, sv players to strong, i can't make winners, there's a lot of UE, bla bla bla ....

But no one even cares about the real problems the game have.
- Bad online gameplay
- Missing players (Soderling, Del Potro ..... )
- More Outfits
- More character movements
and the list go on ....

But still funny this thread lol

Agreed... bitch bitch bitch.

[IAmLopes]

1st) it really doesn't matter, if it's bitching or not

2nd) I was happy with the game play, so i was for extra stuff. About the market, how can it cost you, if you put for exemple, more rackets, shorts, shirts etc, if it can cost you nothing, 2k can create their own line, no costs attached. If you have said that new players like Soderling, Del Potro etc would cost more money to 2k, that i could agree with you, but the money they spend with the legends, like Boris, Sampras etc, they could save that money and bought the rigths for actual players.

3) Why do you count only the people in here that complain? It could be only 50 persons complaining here, but how about in other places? Don't they count? For exemple in 2K Forum, you have alot of people complaining also, and you don't have more there, because they erase posts (yes it's true, they did erase some members complaining posts). You can't count only the people in here.
Also you can't assume just because you don't see people complaining here that they are happy with it.
Many dont know this site, or 2k forum.

About the growth, it's normal (and it's seems that i'm not the one who doesn't understand the market), unless you have a multi dollar company spending a lot of money in publicity for the game lot of the buyers will not know about the game until they see it. For exemple I bought my TS4 in May, and i didn't even knew that it was released until i saw some guy video on Youtube playing Virtua Tennis 4, and i remembered TS, so i went on check if they had released some also. So i played the demo and liked, so i bought it.
And also depends the release date of the countries and plataforms, people are starting to buy the game.

You can't say it's because of the patch.

Oh and if you want complains, go to 2K forum (not all the complains, because half of it were erased).

[djarvik]

1st) it really doesn't matter, if it's bitching or not

2nd) I was happy with the game play, so i was for extra stuff. About the market, how can it cost you, if you put for exemple, more rackets, shorts, shirts etc, if it can cost you nothing, 2k can create their own line, no costs attached. If you have said that new players like Soderling, Del Potro etc would cost more money to 2k, that i could agree with you, but the money they spend with the legends, like Boris, Sampras etc, they could save that money and bought the rigths for actual players.

3) Why do you count only the people in here that complain? It could be only 50 persons complaining here, but how about in other places? Don't they count? For exemple in 2K Forum, you have alot of people complaining also, and you don't have more there, because they erase posts (yes it's true, they did erase some members complaining posts). You can't count only the people in here.
Also you can't assume just because you don't see people complaining here that they are happy with it.
Many dont know this site, or 2k forum.

About the growth, it's normal (and it's seems that i'm not the one who doesn't understand the market), unless you have a multi dollar company spending a lot of money in publicity for the game lot of the buyers will not know about the game until they see it. For exemple I bought my TS4 in May, and i didn't even knew that it was released until i saw some guy video on Youtube playing Virtua Tennis 4, and i remembered TS, so i went on check if they had released some also. So i played the demo and liked, so i bought it.
And also depends the release date of the countries and plataforms, people are starting to buy the game.

You can't say it's because of the patch.

Oh and if you want complains, go to 2K forum (not all the complains, because half of it were erased).

1.


2. So you think they could create a bunch of Nike and Adidas shirts without the brands consent? ...or you mean they should have created more off-brand stuff. I think there are actually plenty of off brand shirts etc... You cannot appeal to everyone taste. How many shirts are enough? 258? You want off-brand rackets too? I don't thin k that is what most people who did bring this up wanted. They want brand name rackets, Wilson, Dunlop etc.. and clothing, outfits. That actually costs money. Even making off-brand shirts requires some time to design and program. But I agree that they could have at least let us control the color scheme on the custom designs.

As for money spend on legends, I bet there is an Army of players that will strongly disagree with you. They enjoy playing with Samprass and Agassi probably more then with anyone else. This is a strong selling point for 2K.

3. So how do you know then? What (other then yourself proclaiming it is a fact) you can tell me to convince me that majority dislike the change and the game, and the game is actually worse then before and in decline? I gave you concrete numbers from ITST and WT.

About the growth, it's normal (and it's seems that i'm not the one who doesn't understand the market), unless you have a multi dollar company spending a lot of money in publicity for the game lot of the buyers will not know about the game until they see it. For exemple I bought my TS4 in May, and i didn't even knew that it was released until i saw some guy video on Youtube playing Virtua Tennis 4, and i remembered TS, so i went on check if they had released some also. So i played the demo and liked, so i bought it.
And also depends the release date of the countries and plataforms, people are starting to buy the game.

Not sure how this paragraph relates to what I said.

I didn't say it is because of the patch, I said the patch was beneficial rather then detrimental.

[supinesmokey13]

1. What you perceive as a fact. It's a forum, people voice their opinion, you label their opinions as "bitching" I labeled yours It's cool that you think that just because you said it it's a fact.

2. Lack of equipment choices doesn't equal lack of equipment. You need to draw the line somewhere. Why not have every racket and every sock that every player ever used? You cannot draw two polar opposite and build your argument on it man. Equipment is there and game play is there, so now, at the current state of the game, what is more important to you? ...better game-play or extra rackets?

You have a lot to learn about business if you think that one variable is enough to succeed. Really? More option equals more market? What about the cost of this option? ...ahh who cares, the more the better!


3. Why is it stupid exactly? Because you said that? Define "so many people" please. 5? 10? 20? 50? So you think 50 opinions is enough to drastically change the game? When you have over 1000 online players daily at the same time in peak hours? Not so sure.

So the constant growth of online players both on WT and ITST means nothing then? Please explain.


...and once again, you "decide" on what is the "real" problem in the game.

...and we actually have less complaints then before. Look it up, forum stores everything.


Nothing personal here man, I just like to argue. Indulge me.

it had been already said prepatch people had an edge over everyone due to the various flaws in the game are not happy. Clearly people didn't read the development diaries made by 2k and what they hoped to achieve balanced gameplay meaning no style was more effective than the other. And now Ithey are closer to achieving this. The abuse of angles ,the lack of errors were not what they were trying to achieve . The controls still allow casual players to enjoy the but is you want to be a top player you won't do it exploiting flaws in the game. if you dnt like it don't play but don't stop others from helping 2k create a game where all styles are competitive.

[Coolhand Texas]

i think djarvik just made that others guys "points" look plain silly.

Im all on djarviks side for this one

[MrMackNasty]

The game is so much better postpatch. If you knew how to construct a point and win without ti/md you would know that.

[Garghamell]

hear, hear, djarvik!

i'm glad you're running this site. no, that is not pandering. just stating my gratitude.

now, can we school me in some Davis Cup practice matches so i can get ready for the French onslaught?
thanks.

[BalkanPower]

hear, hear, djarvik!

i'm glad you're running this site. no, that is not pandering. just stating my gratitude.

now, can we school me in some Davis Cup practice matches so i can get ready for the French onslaught?
thanks.

hey htx for the nice words in the match summary!!:) But I decided to also jump on the bandwagon of power. Up until now I've always played with 65 power or less. It's my match against you. You didn't have a lot of speed, but you somehow got to every ball. Nothing I could do to pass you. And situations like that happen a lot against power players lately. So I'm not gonna waste points on Speed anymore, but put them into power instead:) Hopefully our next match will have shorter and less frustrating rallies:)

Well played yesterday!!!

[DarkStriker97]

1. What you perceive as a fact. It's a forum, people voice their opinion, you label their opinions as "bitching" I labeled yours It's cool that you think that just because you said it it's a fact.

2. Lack of equipment choices doesn't equal lack of equipment. You need to draw the line somewhere. Why not have every racket and every sock that every player ever used? You cannot draw two polar opposite and build your argument on it man. Equipment is there and game play is there, so now, at the current state of the game, what is more important to you? ...better game-play or extra rackets?

You have a lot to learn about business if you think that one variable is enough to succeed. Really? More option equals more market? What about the cost of this option? ...ahh who cares, the more the better!


3. Why is it stupid exactly? Because you said that? Define "so many people" please. 5? 10? 20? 50? So you think 50 opinions is enough to drastically change the game? When you have over 1000 online players daily at the same time in peak hours? Not so sure.

So the constant growth of online players both on WT and ITST means nothing then? Please explain.


...and once again, you "decide" on what is the "real" problem in the game.

...and we actually have less complaints then before. Look it up, forum stores everything.


Nothing personal here man, I just like to argue. Indulge me.

I want my Dunlop rackets
I really hope they release DLC though. Of course, fixing gameplay is more important.
I'm on Djarvik's side here. Like Coolhand said, the other guy is making a fool of himeself

[jaateloauto]

Sure 100 power is just silly, personally, I just lose that magic "fantasy tennis" feeling when I see my opponent has that. It takes away from my experience, personally. But I cannot say that I lose to these players. I do lose to IR/CPS.

Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose (if they're actually have a bit of skill of their own to go with that build) against these guys but every time I see one I cringe because these players are not fun to play against even if you win.

[Garghamell]

hear, hear, djarvik!

i'm glad you're running this site. no, that is not pandering. just stating my gratitude.

now, can we school me in some Davis Cup practice matches so i can get ready for the French onslaught?
thanks.

hey htx for the nice words in the match summary!!:) But I decided to also jump on the bandwagon of power. Up until now I've always played with 65 power or less. It's my match against you. You didn't have a lot of speed, but you somehow got to every ball. Nothing I could do to pass you. And situations like that happen a lot against power players lately. So I'm not gonna waste points on Speed anymore, but put them into power instead:) Hopefully our next match will have shorter and less frustrating rallies:)

Well played yesterday!!!

it was a great match, Balky! i got to almost every ball because of good anticipation, lucky guessing, and a really good timing day (running diagonally backwards helps a lot too). yes, you're right, power matters (my PWR is 86, SPD is 56). but i wasn't using power shots the whole time. i had to mix up control shots in order to set up power shots. returning a shot with power helps a lot too. these are all things that i'm finding out as i play great opposition such as yourself. (i got Norberto now in the Wimby QF, let's see how much i can learn from the TS3 Master!)
i've been beat by different builds (Def baseliners and S&V), mostly by players who really know what they're doing (i.e Baggy). the only build i feel utterly helpless against is an experienced player with a 100PWR character (i played an exo with ike0 who was trying out his 100PWRcharacter and it plain just wasn't fun. none whatsoever).
guess what i'm trying to say is, we, as a community, are still tweaking the rules of engagement. we must still be patient. personally i believe a restriction on power IS necessary. at least for now. or perhaps we can lift the ban on the other coaches and see how that affects gameplay.

so, my suggestion to the ITST Council of Elders is: how about a rule test tourney where every coach is allowed? if all else it'll be an excuse to play fun matches with fellow ITSTers...

[RainingAmoeba79]

i agree, playing 100 power players is nooo fun, why dont we make a 90/40 tour like in TS3?