TI/MD should be allowed again...

[MrMackNasty]

I agree that it should be banned still. Like ike said, WT and itst are comepletely different. In the right hands ti/md is still just as deadly and overpowered.

[polakis]

I dont understand that. I say again that i am winning all ti/md players with samala after the patch. I even won MrBerson yesterday while he was ti/md! MrBerson's hand arent the right hands that make ti/md overpowered? So what. I won MrBerson for example. Noone is unbeatable now after the update. Go and play with ti/md or ir/md if you want and see who is better. Why ban them now after the patch i dont understand...S&V good players like JokerFR are overpowered too now...

So what then. Lets see tournaments only with Samala/PJQ...And see then who is better...Whats the problem with that?

[DennieFR1908]

I dont understand that. I say again that i am winning all ti/md players with samala after the patch. I even won MrBerson yesterday while he was ti/md! MrBerson's hand arent the right hands that make ti/md overpowered? So what. I won MrBerson for example. Noone is unbeatable now after the update. Go and play with ti/md or ir/md if you want and see who is better. Why ban them now after the patch i dont understand...S&V good players like JokerFR are overpowered too now...

So what then. Lets see tournaments only with Samala/PJQ...And see then who is better...Whats the problem with that?

It's just that these guys probably had very much bad experience with MD, conspiricing together to make a point.. i think it's the biggest noncence I blame my own skills when I lose I don't have any trouble against any coach of MD..

[DennieFR1908]

Only because its now possible to beat them, doesnt mean they aren't overpowered!

Still the craziest angles are possible with both ti/md and ir/md like no other setup, even drew welsh(18 points in db, HUGE FH/BH) does not provide such angles. Thats why it's overpowered. Plus now having 80+ Stamina with ir/md after the patch is playing a role as well.

And...of course all you guys that used these overpowered coaches and won no matter what your opponents did before itst forbid it are now complaining...i totally understand...u guys just want to be overpowered, thats it!

I'm not the one complaining, I don't care wich coach I use because I got skills myself. With MD you get the craziest angels, with DS artist the craziest DS, with 100 power the craziest power, with 96 serve the craziest serve.. what's the difference? If I wan't i could DS every point perfectly with that Welch guy, why isn't he banned? A guy with 100 for power is also impossible, should he be banned to?

I don't care if my opponent plays with MD or whetever. You are the one complaining because you probably can't handle them, don't turn things around please. What you are actually trying to say is ppl only beat you because of MD.. that's weak man don't blame the coach blame your skills!

yeah, but then you would called on being cheesy which is not allowed

Yes I would, but It's not like I'm doing it all the time, but still, I can use it every big point? They can't say anything than..

[Coolhand Texas]

Using it on the big points might get you a couple but people do catch on, and drop shots are easier to counter. So what's your point?

[Q-Spin]

I agree that it should be banned still. Like ike said, WT and itst are comepletely different. In the right hands ti/md is still just as deadly and overpowered.

Right!

I dont understand that. I say again that i am winning all ti/md players with samala after the patch.

So TI/MD is not overpowered because you can beat it with also overpowered(and banned) Samala. True logic

So what then. Lets see tournaments only with Samala/PJQ...And see then who is better...Whats the problem with that?

Seriously?

It's just that these guys probably had very much bad experience with MD, conspiricing together to make a point.. i think it's the biggest noncence I blame my own skills when I lose I don't have any trouble against any coach of MD..

You are one of the best, so that is not surprising. Try to see it not only from your point of view. One thing that MD does(even after the patch) is increasing the timing window for "perfect" shots. If 2 medium-good players with similar skills play each other, the one with MD get an unfair advantage..

[DennieFR1908]

Using it on the big points might get you a couple but people do catch on, and drop shots are easier to counter. So what's your point?

My point is if you perfectionate youre DS your opponent can't do anything anymore if you position right, I see this as a BIG advantage because with DS artist you can give a ds from about every corner.. if you perfectionate this it will be me more effective dan for excample MD, and there are more special skills like this.

[DennieFR1908]

I agree that it should be banned still. Like ike said, WT and itst are comepletely different. In the right hands ti/md is still just as deadly and overpowered.

Right!

I dont understand that. I say again that i am winning all ti/md players with samala after the patch.

So TI/MD is not overpowered because you can beat it with also overpowered(and banned) Samala. True logic

So what then. Lets see tournaments only with Samala/PJQ...And see then who is better...Whats the problem with that?

Seriously?

It's just that these guys probably had very much bad experience with MD, conspiricing together to make a point.. i think it's the biggest noncence I blame my own skills when I lose I don't have any trouble against any coach of MD..

You are one of the best, so that is not surprising. Try to see it not only from your point of view. One thing that MD does(even after the patch) is increasing the timing window for "perfect" shots. If 2 medium-good players with similar skills play each other, the one with MD get an unfair advantage..

You have a point there.. not that I only look at it from my own perspective but with two even players it would make a difference.

But i keep coming out bij other special skills, where you also have an extra perfect ratio for shots (or at least better placing, what comes down to the same) isn't this where special skills are for?

[Dynushi]

still dropshots are easier to counter than a overall advandtage like MD.
But if you're down to squeeze every little cheese out of this game than go ahead dropshot every point, you'll see it's worthless.

And now you're saying that powerplayers are overpowered...what exactly do you mean? 100 pwr? yes overpowered should be forbidden, but if you ask me anything thats over lets say 90 or even 85 is just a mutant and shouldn't be there, and thats for every stat, fh,bh,power,volley,serve whatever

[DennieFR1908]

still dropshots are easier to counter than a overall advandtage like MD.
But if you're down to squeeze every little cheese out of this game than go ahead dropshot every point, you'll see it's worthless.

And now you're saying that powerplayers are overpowered...what exactly do you mean? 100 pwr? yes overpowered should be forbidden, but if you ask me anything thats over lets say 90 or even 85 is just a mutant and shouldn't be there, and thats for every stat, fh,bh,power,volley,serve whatever

You probably can't place a ds lik I do.. and you understand me wrong, it's not that I use ds in a cheesy way, I play this game for my joy, but there are plenty out there who do, and believe me if you know how to place a perfect ds, your opponent will be clueless, tried it yesterday in friendly match that guy went crazy losing 60 60. It's not i would like to get that coach banned too but there are plenty of coaches that can be used in cheesy ways. I just think it's unnecesary to ban coaches cuz there are plenty that give you advantage in many ways, just part of the game.. but that's my opinion.

[Dynushi]

yes indeed you can use it in a cheesy way, but you don't have to.

and believe it or not...drop shots can always be countered...and even perfect ones(the ones that you are only able to shuffle back) can be countered by re-dropshotting and the just volleying...with welsh you have like 60 power so passing can be rather difficult. just for example.

of course this won't help me out always, but if i do it just once and it works, my opponent might rethink about dropshoting

[djarvik]

The reasons we make the rules are not limited to "overpowered". It stretches to "overused" as well.

I dont think it is very fun to play same setup round in and round out. That's what it was prior to us announcing the rules.

TSI/MD was not "weakened". It still gives you the same amount of points, they are just spread out more.

MD - to me, is the most overpowered skill and really should not be even a part of the game. Making you play better by default when you are behind? ...as in playing poorly?....as in your opponent playing better? Really? Same goes for Smell of blood. But, Smell of blood only triggers when you have a game point, which allows you at least to hold your serve rather easy. MD triggers at 0-15 on your serve and 15-0 for your opponent. And stays on as long as you behind. Both skills should not be in the game.

Skills improving certain shots are one thing, but skills that improve ALL shots are just not good. You, as a player, should be either a great front runner or a tough guy to put away. The game should not help you by improving all your shots.

[jayl0ve]

All of that boils down to pretty much being your opinion though.

[chillachriz]

overpowered lol

ok np... than please bann all coaches with stops as special... because i cant move after returning a stop... thats what i called INPOSIBLE... because i CANT MOVE!!! SO BANN this coaches please!! its a little bit unfair

[SBR Ironik]

overpowered lol

ok np... than please bann all coaches with stops as special... because i cant move after returning a stop... thats what i called INPOSIBLE... because i CANT MOVE!!! SO BANN this coaches!!

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