Top Spin 4 - Player Balancing Updates

[Neso007]

After playing 100 quick matches on World Tour i have to say that the new patch is good but we have a big problem:

I only lose now from S&V players with drop shot artist or low volley special. They serve and straight they go to the net. And because its difficult to hit deadly angles anymore after the patch they have full advantage for the point. They drop it and they have 90% to win the point. You must try very hard to win them if the player is good. But its always the same and same points...This is not tennis. Its cheating

And also 50 speeders catch all the balls.2K fix this please. Its unrealistic

I played many S&V players too, but i have to say that yes, there are now many S&V players out there
but if you´re good and have a game plan and stick to your players qualities, you can beat them !

before the patch the S&V players had no chance at all...so, why its now bad ? only thing thats now bad ist, that you can´t end a point with a powerhit

i tried to play S&V an i have to say tha i lost then all my matches...i´ll stick to my baseline player

[Capriatifan]

I am very glad S/V players finally have a reasonable chance to win matches. Before this strategy was pretty much useless, so this adds a whole new dimension to the game. And to say it's cheating and boring is not fair, i found it more boring before when pretty much everyone was just hitting those stupid unrealistic angles. It's still pretty tough to beat good baselines if you use S/V and it's an accomplishment if you win using S/V just as much as it is an accomplishment to beat a S/V. I think it's pretty balanced right now. Points that could use further tweaking:

- Speed still not realistic enough, especially if you keep hitting R2 slow players still get to too many balls. Also players with 80+ speed reach too many balls imho. Tone that aspect down and the rallies won't be as long.
- Power should be a bit more effective, but make powershot harder; good timing resulting in good balls, perfect timing to get close to the lines
- bad timing should result in more errors, especially if you go for a powershot near the lines, bad timing a control shot should have a less negative effect than bad timing a powershot.
- positioning should have more effect; be to close or to far from the ball should result in more errors, especially if combined with bad or average timing.
- people who use powershot all the time should get tired more quickly
- players should gradually get more tired towards the end of a (long match). Now the stamina bar keeps filling up pretty much all the way after 1 or 2 points. When in 4th or 5th set this should not be the case, especially with bad stamina.
- More return errors on especially big serves. Bad timing and positioning should pretty much always result in an error, average timing every now and then. And with perfect timing a big serve return should give you direct returnwinners every now and then.

[Eyedol_666]

Good angled Powershots are STILL able, yesterday I was beaten by a powerstroking Federer even with his backhand. Thing it depends on your player skills (Federer more than 90 fh) and on your timing and position to the ball.

I always wondered, why the game does more emphasis on the timing than on the position to the ball like virtua tennis 2 for example.

Now you cant be on low fatique, hardly be near to the ball and still be able to use 100% powershots and thats good, at least for all S&V players like me!

[AUSSIE_FABS]

I want to get beaten by an sv Add me if any good. But so far sv I've came against, well.. it doesn't end well for them. Only played one or 2 since patch so maybe just haven't ran into an elite sv, or sv cheeser (never thought say that lol.)

[Eyedol_666]

I am from germany, I am not sure if its possible to play vs someone from australia or even USA?

PING?

[Capriatifan]

It IS possible, just expect some teleporting from time to time. They should add that as a skill, the teleporting thing. Forehand 65, Backhand 70, Serve 85, Teleporting 90

I am from germany, I am not sure if its possible to play vs someone from australia or even USA?

PING?

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

Lol, I played 2 professional slice and dicers yesterday. I beat them, but I now see what people are talking about now. Another change i would like to see



-Slicing
Make slicing as hard to hit as a lob, and give the attacker an accuracy boost when they hit slices. This way people won't abuse it. Right now people can still have slice rallies cause slicing is safer than groundstrokes. They should have a higher chance of going out and a tighter timing window, like lobs. Some people have switched to slicing exclusively. Slice returns, and slice "groundstrokes". Slice returns put the ball in a safe spot, and you, the server, can't hit the ball back hard/effective enough to put them in a bad position or hit an outright winner. Slice "groundstrokes" keep the ball low, and the attacker can't do much about them. By making slices as hard to hit as lobs, slice returns and slice groundstrokes won't happen frequently. Giving the attacker an accuracy boost for hitting a slice as well will further punish those who resort to slicing exclusively.

[Eyedol_666]

I want to get beaten by an sv Add me if any good. But so far sv I've came against, well.. it doesn't end well for them. Only played one or 2 since patch so maybe just haven't ran into an elite sv, or sv cheeser (never thought say that lol.)

You can add me, I do only play with Becker. I dont say I am good, maybe avarage or stuff, we will se

Anyone who wants to have a S&V challenge can add me.

But no on clay and only against professionals, no selfmade characters!

[SBR Ironik]

Lol, I played 2 professional slice and dicers yesterday. I beat them, but I now see what people are talking about now. Another change i would like to see



-Slicing
Make slicing as hard to hit as a lob, and give the attacker an accuracy boost when they hit slices. This way people won't abuse it. Right now people can still have slice rallies cause slicing is safer than groundstrokes. They should have a higher chance of going out and a tighter timing window, like lobs. Some people have switched to slicing exclusively. Slice returns, and slice "groundstrokes". Slice returns put the ball in a safe spot, and you, the server, can't hit the ball back hard/effective enough to put them in a bad position or hit an outright winner. Slice "groundstrokes" keep the ball low, and the attacker can't do much about them. By making slices as hard to hit as lobs, slice returns and slice groundstrokes won't happen frequently. Giving the attacker an accuracy boost for hitting a slice as well will further punish those who resort to slicing exclusively.

I'm not sure about that but I have the feeling that doing a short crossed top spin is easier when you hit a slice.

Anyway I agree that sliced returns are a real plague when executed well.
I only do that against great server or wide sliced serves.

But I think that doing some S&V against player who are always doing sliced return will work quite well. I have to test that ^^

[Chederer]

i played someone the other night---when i was serving on the ad side he hit every single return throughout the match cross court slow and in the corner of the short court...i kept hitting down the line and cross court back to him, but he was ahead in the point everytime....the only play i could use to counter his soft short returns in the corner was to hit a dropshot; and i dont think me using the dropshot was cheezy or anything; because he never changed the type of return he was hitting---so everytime once i figured it out was the same on the ad side--dropshot, he came to the net to get and i would pass him everytime

[polakis]

Joker FR is the highest example of S&V cheating. We played two matches on world tour and i lost 4-3 and 4-2. He is almost useless when i serve and he only makes deep slice shot just in case i make a mistake...

Lets go to his serve now. He has diesel server/low volley and he makes super serves all the time. If you answer he is already at the net. After the patch its impossible to make perfect return and the player at the net is almost unbeatable! When i return he makes the volley or drop shot and takes the point. I tried everything. I am number 6 in world tour and not some random guy...And he makes volley or drop in every foocking point!!!!

Thats cheating people. I sent him messages of cheating and he says bs that sampras etc played like this...I say BS! He is exploiting the game after the patch and he knows it...

Of course he is No1 in this week on world tour...

[jayl0ve]

Sorry but that's not cheating you're just frustrated.

I don't see what your ranking has to do with it, just because you are number 6 in the world doesn't mean people don't have a right to hit certain shots against you and it doesn't mean they're cheating. I agree it's extremely annoying when somebody just does the same stupid thing over and over and over again, but it's not cheating...

[Chederer]

i beat joker on tuesday night...he is very good indeed at the net; but i found ways to win...you have to mix up your returns depth and your passing shots you must mix up as well

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

i also can´t see any cheating .
and sorry your ranking have nothing to do with this .esspecially when its just a WT ranking .

a tip:search for the fault by yourself. you simple not figured out yet a good answer for this .

maybe practice with a friend and let him play this kind of volley to find a counter

[Chederer]

dont mean to sound like a troll here, but ive noticed since the update you are not going to pass anyone easily with the precision...you kind of have to load up now and hit them with some power