How much speed is enough?

[Tuurbine]

Ask this because I have seen guys online with speed as low as middle 40´s get to all the single shots without any problem.

So any idea any of you by own experience? How much speed to have a decent speed? 50? 55? 60?

[Chederer]

Hey Bro,
Based on my experience I think the speed element of the game is almost irrelevant based upon how fast you are on a dead run. But, I do think with a higher speed stat you are able to change directions quicker and your shots on the run are a little bit better. These guys with low speed stats probably have very high forehand backhand or power and are putting you on the run and they are not having to run very far to hit their next doom deeshative shot. I could also be very wrong.

[Tuurbine]

Thanks Chederer

Guess not everybody wants to share their secrets hehe

[jayl0ve]

I think 65-70 is enough

Chederer's right though speed is not as important in this game, compared to the past 3 TS games.

[tigerofintegrity]

Based on my experience I think the speed element of the game is almost irrelevant based upon how fast you are on a dead run.

I really don't understand why everyone seems to think speed is virtually irrelevant. Guys with 40-50 speed don't get to everything, it's very obviously exploitable. As opposed to a player with 70+ speed, the difference is very obvious. If they get to a lot of balls, that means their anticipation is really good or you're not exploiting it well enough. Players with low speed can't get into good position to defend shots if you stretch them enough and usually put in a short, weak ball for you to finish.

[jayl0ve]

Yeah speed is definitely still important just not as important as TS2 for example.

I don't notice much of a difference from a player with 60 speed as opposed to one with 80 speed as far as side-to-side movement in baseline rallies is concerned (that is more affected by Stamina I think), but the characters with high speed are much easier to get to drop shots/short balls with

[Tuurbine]

Thanks guys, i was really trying to know the difference because i didnt feel that much difference in speed with my opponents if they had 50 or 70...

[dsavbeast012]

52 speed and you still run down balls like Nadal. Speed just like a lot of the stats on this game are worthless. I play a guy and he's running down everything like Nadal even though he has 52 speed. Speed, stamina, and volley are pretty worthless with the way the game is currently constructed, 2K said they would balance so that you can't put all of your stats into one category w/o feeling a weakness, well that was wrong.

That's why you see guys w/ 0/17 OB/3 or something like that still able to win, you don't really need defense that much since speed is a meaningless stat, and stamina even more meaningless.

[bydox]

Ho, that's why you disconnected ?
You have the cheek to come and complaining after your quit at 6-1 / 4-0 ?

Sorry dude, it's clear I focused my stats on my BH and my Serve, not my fault if I can catch your balls, I'm not gonna wait just to tell "heh, my player is not fast !"

Plus the balls you placed just behind the net was impossible for me to reach, as same as well crossed ones. These strokes was good, but I'm sorry to tell you that most of the other ones were pretty easy to take as they were not well placed.

Anyway, I will not make a fuss about it, you're not the first and not the last one that quit like a child when losing.

[OuiMr BersonBANNED]

Ho, that's why you disconnected ?
You have the cheek to come and complaining after your quit at 6-1 / 4-0 ?

Sorry dude, it's clear I focused my stats on my BH and my Serve, not my fault if I can catch your balls, I'm not gonna wait just to tell "heh, my player is not fast !"

Plus the balls you placed just behind the net was impossible for me to reach, as same as well crossed ones. These strokes was good, but I'm sorry to tell you that most of the other ones were pretty easy to take as they were not well placed.

Anyway, I will not make a fuss about it, you're not the first and not the last one that quit like a child when losing.

Gavage !

[jayl0ve]

Isn't that...force-feeding??

Sorry I don't know French

[dsavbeast012]

Ho, that's why you disconnected ?
You have the cheek to come and complaining after your quit at 6-1 / 4-0 ?

Sorry dude, it's clear I focused my stats on my BH and my Serve, not my fault if I can catch your balls, I'm not gonna wait just to tell "heh, my player is not fast !"

Plus the balls you placed just behind the net was impossible for me to reach, as same as well crossed ones. These strokes was good, but I'm sorry to tell you that most of the other ones were pretty easy to take as they were not well placed.

Anyway, I will not make a fuss about it, you're not the first and not the last one that quit like a child when losing.

Sorry, I'm just sick of losing to maxed out players. It's ridiculous that you can put all your skills to OB and have no drawback whatsoever. You have 52 speed and still run down shots in 20+ shot rallies like it's nothing. That's retarded. This game says it's sim but it's not when a guy can have low speed and still get to every god damn shot. I'm sick of this.

Seriously theres so many issues with this game. Slice is the most overpowered shot - slice forehand winners, whenever I come to net my opponent hits slice, which is harder to handle than regular flat shot in this game since it is overpowered. Speed is irrelevant, there's not enough unforced errors. I'm just sick of this crap.

[bydox]

Sorry, I'm just sick of losing to maxed out players. It's ridiculous that you can put all your skills to OB and have no drawback whatsoever. You have 52 speed and still run down shots in 20+ shot rallies like it's nothing. That's retarded. This game says it's sim but it's not when a guy can have low speed and still get to every god damn shot. I'm sick of this.

Seriously theres so many issues with this game. Slice is the most overpowered shot - slice forehand winners, whenever I come to net my opponent hits slice, which is harder to handle than regular flat shot in this game since it is overpowered. Speed is irrelevant, there's not enough unforced errors. I'm just sick of this crap.

Ok, I can understand that. I have many examples of that problems, for example players with 55-60 Serve that I counter as if they have 75-80. Though my player have 72 reflexes. Or players that can produce extreme angles with a wing at 70. That's not a reason for me to quit a match, furthermore near the end of it. That's not a fair or mature reaction.

For my case, the fact I can play long rallies has nothing to deal with my speed ; it's stamina (73).
I didn't built my player with saying "ok, it's nothing if I have only 52 speed, I will reach all of the balls anyhow". I built my player to simulate Richard Gasquet, it was a first try, and I said in an other topic I'm currently builting a new one with more accurate stats. I'm not the kind of player that only boost BH/FH and Power to 85-90+. The stats I gave to my player was specific. My first player was an all-rounder.
It's also false to say I can get all the balls, I have make enough matchs with this player to say it's not true.

Just to answer what you said about slices, The issue is not the slice itself, but how frequently it's used. Personnally I don't find they are this much "overpowered". I don't know if you play tennis in real life, but this kind of balls have a very low bounce when properly hitted, and you have to lower yourself to get the ball back, which means you can't take the ball as you want. I think it's pretty well reproduced in the game. When you come to the net, tactical players want to slice the ball very short to force a low-volley.

Gavage !

[tigerofintegrity]

Sorry, I'm just sick of losing to maxed out players. It's ridiculous that you can put all your skills to OB and have no drawback whatsoever. You have 52 speed and still run down shots in 20+ shot rallies like it's nothing. That's retarded. This game says it's sim but it's not when a guy can have low speed and still get to every god damn shot. I'm sick of this.

Seriously theres so many issues with this game. Slice is the most overpowered shot - slice forehand winners, whenever I come to net my opponent hits slice, which is harder to handle than regular flat shot in this game since it is overpowered. Speed is irrelevant, there's not enough unforced errors. I'm just sick of this crap.

Honestly, I find your arguments totally wrong and therefore irrelevant. You're like the opposite man to me - everything you're saying, the opposite is true. You have major drawbacks putting everything into OB. 52 speed is slow and you don't get to everything and you seriously feel it. Slice is absolutely perfect in the context of the game and necessary. Speed is highly relevant. I mean, seriously, 52 speed is bad. If he can get to all your balls with that speed then that means you're bad at exploiting it.

[jayl0ve]

52 is very slow, I would probably not be able to play with speed that low...you're not hitting close enough to the lines or something, if you can't get somebody like that to be on the run. I would look at an opponent with a speed rating that low as an almost automatic win.