tigerofintegrity wrote:Hollaa Itz Mike wrote:woah dude, sry to offend u, just stating my opinion, just like everyoen states there opinion that anyone who uses TI/MD (me) is cheesy...dont call out 1 side and not the other
They don't accuse specific players like you do. That's something that should be sorted out privately.
Anyway, like I said, if someone is using a drop shot nearly every point then that should be easy to predict and take advantage of. And if you're losing to that even though they're doing it every point, then that might mean it's a good tactic against you. If that is happening to you a lot and you're not doing well against that tactic, then maybe you need to look at a different player type, one that's faster or something.
Over-using drop shot is not an exploitation of a problem in this game unlike the slice serve out wide which takes advantage of the movement problems with the game. Try drop-shotting off a power shot or a deep shot or on the stretch and you're not going to be getting much success. Using a tactic a lot alone does not constitute cheating. Nadal hits to Federer's backhand 80% of the time in a match but it's hardly cheating.
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tigerofintegrity
As usual man you talk a lot of sense, although I would like to pick you up on one of your comments at the drop shot in a minute.
Yes there is no need for anyone members to call out other members - this is a good refresher thread from
Moral Spain and it will benefit new members in the kind of things that get spoken about here and more specifically what differentitiates a community like ITST from the online World Tour.
Drop shot
My opinion on this shot is that in isolation it is far from being a cheesy shot - it is actually a very clever shot and takes timining and skill to execute well. Also, as pointed out there is a coach that comes with this skill so there is a
degree of emphasis placed on it from the out set in TS4. However, from where I stand overuse of a drop shot ain't pretty and I don't really agree that it is a good tactic if you constantly use drop shot to yield success over your opponent. I think it is very difficult to draw a line in the sand as to where the cut-off should theoretically be and in reality it can never be achieved because different members wil truly believe different things.
My personal preference, and I repeat my personal preference, is that I use drop shot to mix things up a bit or to try and close a 20+ stroke rally when my opponent leasts expect it. I probably hit no more than 5 drops shots in a whole match but thats just me - I guess because in the Pro ATP tour you never really see excessive use of it and therefore it is ingrained in me to do the same. By excessive I mean playing drop shots all through games as if it is the main shot - I appreciate a player like Andy Murray can at times hit a few more drop shots than his opponent but thats about it). Also it is not a shot I want to overuse because it looks odd if done too many times, in my opinion. If I am honest if a player did more than one/two drop shots in a game (e.g. 1 game, not set or match) it would irritate me but again thats just me.
If a player, whether it be a "drop shot artist" or not played drop shots on most points then I am sorry but this for me is terrible ugly gaming tennis.
In reference to
Crotatsuya's quote:
"I just want to comprehend what exactly is considered cheap and what is not, and tell me where I am wrong considering the gameplay mechanic of Top Spin 4."
At the moment it is very early days in TS4 and therefore it will take some time to estbalish through feedback and a careful watch by members / ITST on what is going to be deemed cheesy. As in TS3 there were some specific rules for example for serving where players were not allowed to move further outwide than the default serving position - moving inside towards the 'T' was allowed. This was a
rule. Another
rule was the returner had to be behind thew baseline, standing on or in-front of the baseline was not allowed. I am not saying this has been enforced as a rule yet in TS4 but was used to illustrate my point on rules.
Cheesy tactics on the other hand where styles of play that were against the sportsmanship of ITST - in TS3 these were talked about by members and including such actions like 'line dancing' where players would be in almost constant movement from side to side, most argued it was unnecceasry and cheap because it was a way of putting off the server. The miniority opposition argued that it was to help them return! Another
cheesy tactic in TS3 was the short risk slice for other reasons etc etc.
However, as I said before, as TS4 is in its younger years the above has not yet been explored enough and tactics that were cheesy or create an advantage in TS3 might not translate to TS4.
Some members may just play a game from start to finish that is not pretty and some may
resort to a change in tactics when they are behind - so the way I call it is that a member should know where to draw the line, change in tactics is fine and sometimes a very intellingent way of playing if you have a B game but I like to resort to B games that require skill and exectution and out-thinking my opponent. For example changing from deep flat control shots to counter punching or changing a sytle to mix up using a shorter game to bring my opponent into or closer to the net....
However I would
not for example call a B game that a member suddenly resorts to outwide slice serving 100% on deuce court if trailing or constant then drop shots in an attempt to yield an advantage if your opponent is rendered senseless - some may not agree but I personally would never disrespect my opponent like that, even if I did think it would give me a better opportunity to win. I can say this from being World Number 1 SIM in TS3 and I never had to resort to such tactics to beat the best.
A 'pocket guide' of conduct during matches for members from Baghdad would be:
1. Be competitive by all means.
2. Don't do something during a match to an opponent that you would not like to be done to you.
3. If you have just had a thrilling point and you loose the point let the replay run itself out of respect to your opponent as they may want to watch it (my preference)
4. Never leave a match if you loose by simpy saying nothing and logging off (my preference).
Baggy
