topspin invasion

[brazegoesmoo]

I didn't retire; I went ahead and played the whole match...but it just wasn't even fun. I don't want to have to go with a specific set-up to feel like I have a chance to compete.

Yeah I got to that point. I tried to use it as a learning experience. But really I couldn't hit any winners. I take a full power show to the corner on the open corner.. do i win a point? Nope -> running hustle back-to-the-net over the shoulder no-look short cross winner. Right

[venom400]

player stutter and direct match glitches need to be fixed... More people complained about this than The Serving which was fixed so yes this needs to be fixed.

the rest of the game is perfectly fine to me... if i have good power and ground stroke 81+ you are able to hit those angles at ease in this game which makes sense.

The skills barely do anything and only come into play like monster defence when you are trailing. Or top spin Invasion when you keep using TopSpin shots in a long rally.

I don't use Top Spin Invasion or Monster Defence my guy has big ground strokes 81+ and he is able to hit the same angles as the TI/MD guys i don't see the problems at all.

If i hit a late or early shot the angle isn't so great obviously. But my timing i usually have down pat and can hit angles like you wouldn't believe.

My main problem with this build is that on top of two really good skills it also gives you +15 on each wing , which means you can go on a perfectly balanced character with no weakness to attack and still have 83 points on each wing , balanced should be 75 at most on each right now this brings with unrealistic no weakness set ups .

A weakness should be there regardless of what the player wants , if you give a player the choice not to have a weakness of course they will take it !

and that would be fine if it meant that the player has a glaring weakness like no volley , but no volley in this game is perfectly fine , playters can still hit nice volleys with 39 volley and even swing volley winners .

make it so if the player has 39 volley it should be neted every single time they hit it on the air or the ball should stay high and short , in other words antthing but a normal volley should result in a unforced error .

[Mack2300]

I think an effective strategy against these TS invasion/monster defense monkeys is to hit a control topspin angle right back at them..their low speed usually means that they can't reach it and its incredibly satisfying to pull off.
Unfortunately, it requires absolutely perfect timing to get the killer angle so it is tough to do consistently but I managed to beat one earlier by doing so. Under no circumstances should you be hitting power ts cc angle as that plays right into their hands. In fact, I think power shots are pretty useless against TS Invasion/monster defense.

[venom400]

I think an effective strategy against these TS invasion/monster defense monkeys is to hit a control topspin angle right back at them..their low speed usually means that they can't reach it and its incredibly satisfying to pull off.
Unfortunately, it requires absolutely perfect timing to get the killer angle so it is tough to do consistently but I managed to beat one earlier by doing so. Under no circumstances should you be hitting power ts cc angle as that plays right into their hands. In fact, I think power shots are pretty useless against TS Invasion/monster defense.

I found that they have trouble hitting back strong flat shots , also semi volley seems to give them trouble .

if you give this guys control then its over.

[xMFHxMataiiBANNED]

I have figured out how to combat them(As I have all the other styles).. yes I am one of them.. but I also play against them. the answer is out there just look.

[venom400]

I have figured out how to combat them(As I have all the other styles).. yes I am one of them.. but I also play against them. the answer is out there just look.

why don't you tell us then ? lol

[Sherlock 117]

...and that would be fine if it meant that the player has a glaring weakness like no volley , but no volley in this game is perfectly fine , playters can still hit nice volleys with 39 volley and even swing volley winners .

make it so if the player has 39 volley it should be neted every single time they hit it on the air or the ball should stay high and short , in other words antthing but a normal volley should result in a unforced error .

I have to say I don't agree with this. You can hit putaway volleys with 39 in volley, but you will lose almost every net point when you come in on anything less than a perfect putaway.

A 39 volley shouldn't be like a recreational player's 39 volley, it is a below average professional volley. While some professionals aren't comfortable at net and can't volley as well as others, they can all hit effective putaway volleys.

[xMFHxMataiiBANNED]

Because then it will make me less likely to get points/wins lol .. but its definitely there just look.

[Mack2300]

I have figured out how to combat them(As I have all the other styles).. yes I am one of them.. but I also play against them. the answer is out there just look.

hmm..I think the answer is in your set-up lol. It is obviously an even playing field if it is ts invasion/ms vs ts invasion/ms.

[Coolhand Texas]

I have figured out how to combat them(As I have all the other styles).. yes I am one of them.. but I also play against them. the answer is out there just look.

hmm..I think the answer is in your set-up lol. It is obviously an even playing field if it is ts invasion/ms vs ts invasion/ms.

[venom400]

The only thing i know abput these guy with the "i win" set up is they have no weakneses , but they do have huge strenghts , what i avoid doing is giving them angles , every time they hit a ts shot it bounces higher , so hit everything deep , if they start traping you into a short cross top spin rally quickly get out of it by hitting a downthe line control slice or top spin.

If you have drop shot artist or high volley wait till they are deep and move in for a drop volley or drop shot .

Again not much you can do when this couch gives you a lot of extra points on everything tjat mathers , including 15 pointa pn bh fh , When 2K adjustes this spec we will see where all the easy winners will
Move to , so far this is the only spec i hav a problem with , everything else seems balanced

[xMFHxMataiiBANNED]

I have figured out how to combat them(As I have all the other styles).. yes I am one of them.. but I also play against them. the answer is out there just look.

hmm..I think the answer is in your set-up lol. It is obviously an even playing field if it is ts invasion/ms vs ts invasion/ms.

It doesn't really make to much of a difference.. true I can hit back at them whatver they give me(Offensively) but the fact is if I dont get into a decent position to pull of the shot Im as screwed as you.. Dont forget im getting the same stuff hit at me that you are.. its still out there.

[wrxingit]

Yea it gets pretty frustrating playing against guys with this setup. I guess you can't blame them for using it as it is the best combo in the game. It just ruins the need to play as any other build. I don't have any problems with the big servers or 100 power guys, because these guys have a weakness. But when I play the ti/md guys I will lose most of the time. I think I have only beaten 4 guys using this setup. And 80% of the people on WT have this setup. I actually built a ti/md guy out of frustration last night. Still debating whether I will actually use him in WT as it just doesn't feel right.

[venom400]

Yea it gets pretty frustrating playing against guys with this setup. I guess you can't blame them for using it as it is the best combo in the game. It just ruins the need to play as any other build. I don't have any problems with the big servers or 100 power guys, because these guys have a weakness. But when I play the ti/md guys I will lose most of the time. I think I have only beaten 4 guys using this setup. And 80% of the people on WT have this setup. I actually built a ti/md guy out of frustration last night. Still debating whether I will actually use him in WT as it just doesn't feel right.

The thing is that is a catch 22 , i tought abput creatin one myself but in doing so :

1: will cheat myself into thinking tht im good , but in fact im just using the winning spec

2: i will be playing a spec that i dont like since i like playing the net , it will force me to stay back there and play something that is not tennis .

3: when i run into a guy using a creative build I will feel bad if I win and I will feel bad if I lose .

4: beating a guy using the MD TI will not be rewarding , i prefer the rewarding feel of beating a guy using a fotm build by using something creative and fun , I know in the end when they loae to
My build they will feel bad knowing that they took the low way to win and still lost , and if they win they will kmow they had the higher odds on their side anyways lol

5: when tk2 adjustes the op build many players will scatter around looking for another crouch (like the people with the big serves did) and if they find none they will lose over and ove again to the huys and gals that took the high road and became stronger thanks to it

[wrxingit]

Yea it gets pretty frustrating playing against guys with this setup. I guess you can't blame them for using it as it is the best combo in the game. It just ruins the need to play as any other build. I don't have any problems with the big servers or 100 power guys, because these guys have a weakness. But when I play the ti/md guys I will lose most of the time. I think I have only beaten 4 guys using this setup. And 80% of the people on WT have this setup. I actually built a ti/md guy out of frustration last night. Still debating whether I will actually use him in WT as it just doesn't feel right.

The thing is that is a catch 22 , i tought abput creatin one myself but in doing so :

1: will cheat myself into thinking tht im good , but in fact im just using the winning spec

2: i will be playing a spec that i dont like since i like playing the net , it will force me to stay back there and play something that is not tennis .

3: when i run into a guy using a creative build I will feel bad if I win and I will feel bad if I lose .

4: beating a guy using the MD TI will not be rewarding , i prefer the rewarding feel of beating a guy using a fotm build by using something creative and fun , I know in the end when they loae to
My build they will feel bad knowing that they took the low way to win and still lost , and if they win they will kmow they had the higher odds on their side anyways lol

5: when tk2 adjustes the op build many players will scatter around looking for another crouch (like the people with the big serves did) and if they find none they will lose over and ove again to the huys and gals that took the high road and became stronger thanks to it

Yea all your points are valid, and I feel the exact same way. I probably won't use the ti/md character I built. I will stick to my current build. And maybe over time I can compete with them better. It just sucks that on world tour I play these guys 8 out of 10 times, and it's not really enjoyable matches. Although I feel great when I do beat one.

When I play other builds the matches are fun, it doesn't matter whether I win or lose.

Hopefully 2k patches this build, because this game is amazing online when things are balanced.