topspin invasion

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

Lately I just see people complain about something and onestly it's very annoyng. This game is far from be perfect, but I think is funny and enjoiable, so, just play to have fun. If you can't counter something not necessarely mean that it's a game problem, most of the times it's YOUR problem, so train yourself to counter that. Top spin invasion is surely a really good weapon, but not invincible. I don't use topspin invasion's skill, so don't think I said that just to justify me . right now the problems I found on this game are just the connection issue on casual matches and the slice serve from far to the center position because the game mechanic. About the other discussed problem, at now it's difficult to say something because the game is not mastered yet.

totally agree with this

[MysteryPlayer]

It is also really hard when your opponent hits the topspin button the whole match and nothing else. Their are other buttons to hit in this game mostly people are abusing the skills that they get from their coaches

[jayl0ve]

You have to stop somebody from doing something though, why would you stop doing something if it's working on like every single point. Tennis is about mindgames! And using one shot against somebody because you know it works is a mindgame!

see: anytime Rafa plays Fed

[MysteryPlayer]

You have to stop somebody from doing something though, why would you stop doing something if it's working on like every single point. Tennis is about mindgames! And using one shot against somebody because you know it works is a mindgame!

see: anytime Rafa plays Fed

that is called boring tennis

[brazegoesmoo]

Like serving out wide then hitting to the open court cause you know that the game won't let them run to the open court to defend?

[Sherlock 117]

You have to stop somebody from doing something though, why would you stop doing something if it's working on like every single point. Tennis is about mindgames! And using one shot against somebody because you know it works is a mindgame!

see: anytime Rafa plays Fed

I agree, the problem is if there really is nothing you can do except hope for a mistake from your opponent. And I mean nothing, as in you frequently are put into situations where no matter what you do and how perfect you do it, your opponent's next shot will put you in a worse position.

[Caexander Arist]

Hi everyone i am new to the tour but i felt i should weigh in on what seems to be a hot topic.

now as a newbie you can perhaps understand my dissapointment in finding out the build that i created as soon as i popped the game in is the most hated first i want to say i didnt look on any forums or talk to anybody about this build it just turned out this way as i played through my single player career.

Now i find that if i use the build i learned to play the game with and am most comfotable with i am considered a cheater.
this is most unfortunate but i most say i refuse to use another its not fair to me just as everybody hates this build i love it not because of a supposed competitive edge but because its perfect for my playstyle.
i am sure there are other player builds that are just as good people just need to experiment.

[djarvik]

Hi everyone i am new to the tour but i felt i should weigh in on what seems to be a hot topic.

now as a newbie you can perhaps understand my dissapointment in finding out the build that i created as soon as i popped the game in is the most hated first i want to say i didnt look on any forums or talk to anybody about this build it just turned out this way as i played through my single player career.

Now i find that if i use the build i learned to play the game with and am most comfotable with i am considered a cheater.
this is most unfortunate but i most say i refuse to use another its not fair to me just as everybody hates this build i love it not because of a supposed competitive edge but because its perfect for my playstyle.
i am sure there are other player builds that are just as good people just need to experiment.

yep. You can do some experimenting yourself right?

I dont hate the setup either, I LOVE IT.

But, this is a competitive tour, and this setup is strong, no doubt. Which means that many people plan on using it. Which will mean that ultimately there will be way too many similar matches.

I don't think this is a magic setup, I dont think it is super strong, I do think it is slightly strong - but that is enough for our competitive environment. Everyone here is looking to gain an edge, which is great. But there has to be at least a few slightly strong setups and right now there seems to be one.

As a TSI/MD user, nothing will make me happier if they would tone it down. That will ultimately will mean that I will see other setups on the opposite side and that's great!

[BalkanPower]

Hi everyone i am new to the tour but i felt i should weigh in on what seems to be a hot topic.

now as a newbie you can perhaps understand my dissapointment in finding out the build that i created as soon as i popped the game in is the most hated first i want to say i didnt look on any forums or talk to anybody about this build it just turned out this way as i played through my single player career.

Now i find that if i use the build i learned to play the game with and am most comfotable with i am considered a cheater.
this is most unfortunate but i most say i refuse to use another its not fair to me just as everybody hates this build i love it not because of a supposed competitive edge but because its perfect for my playstyle.
i am sure there are other player builds that are just as good people just need to experiment.

yep. You can do some experimenting yourself right?

? why should he experiment? He doesn't have a problem with other people's playing styles. A lot of people hate HIS setup cause they obviously can't deal with it. So it's up to them to experiment, not up to him:)

Maybe I'm the only one, but before the whole TI/MD debate, I was actually glad when I'd meet someone with those skills. Those were the people that were the easiest to deal with, even when I didn't have the that coach myself.

I can say that power is too overpowered (in MY opinion, cause I have a hard time dealing with power players) and someone with a lot of power automatically has advantage, since low speed is no obstacle to them to reach every ball. They can attack from anywhere. Does that make it overpowered? Only if one can't deal with it.
I didn't complain about the power hitters, I searched dor a way to offer at least some competition. After changing various coaches I found out the TI/MD combination was my best way to survive or even win against a power player.

So I agree with Caexander; people should experiment before they start to complain.

[djarvik]

....and what makes you think people didn't experiment?

I did. I know for a fact that this is the easiest setup for me to use. Top 10 in WT agrees. Hell 80 out top 100 agree


I am not trying to make anyone use anything they dont want. As a user of such setup - I acknowledge it being slightly too effective and would like for it to be toned down. I thinks its a fair opinion, no?

[BalkanPower]

....and what makes you think people didn't experiment?

I did. I know for a fact that this is the easiest setup for me to use. Top 10 in WT agrees. Hell 80 out top 100 agree


I am not trying to make anyone use anything they dont want. As a user of such setup - I acknowledge it being slightly too effective and would like for it to be toned down. I thinks its a fair opinion, no?

I don't know if they experimented, but I do know that they didn't experiment enough:)

And you may be right that it's the easiest setup to use, but that doesn't mean it's the BEST setup, or overpowered. Maybe the other styles take longer to master, but when mastered are way stronger than TI/MD. We don't know that yet:)

But everyone has a right to their own opinion, and yes, if it really is overpowered, then it should be toned down. But until then I'd say keep it like this.

(2K should run a query on all the matches in world tour and tell us what coach gives the highest % of wins. A coach vs coach list with percentages would be nice to. We then could see what coach is best to use against another certain coach:) )

[djarvik]

No need for that. Go through a few ranked players and see what they use.

Right now - a vast majority use that coach.

Also, I could use your logic as well. There might be more to that setup that we see now. What makes you think that it is already mastered? ....if it is the easiest to use now, can you imagine what can be done with it when mastered?

[BalkanPower]

No need for that. Go through a few ranked players and see what they use.

Right now - a vast majority use that coach.

Also, I could use your logic as well. There might be more to that setup that we see now. What makes you think that it is already mastered? ....if it is the easiest to use now, can you imagine what can be done with it when mastered?

yeah but maybe there is a less used coach that has a 90%+ W/L ratio against TI/MD coach. That might make things different:)

Of course you could use the same logic. The answer stays the same: We don't know it yet. While we still don't know, cause the game has not been out long enough, there is no need to tone things down.

To answer you last question: We don't know (again). Maybe the setup has more to it, or maybe it's not that deep. So let's just be patient and actually wait and experiment more before asking for toning down of things.

[djarvik]

I disagree. We don't know about the future, but we do know about the present. Hence there needs to be a tone down. Logic ah?

All that should matter is the fact that 9 out of 10 use the same player now. Its enough for a change. The last thing I want is this to turn into a 4x90 situation.

I am not saying you wrong, because you are not. I am just saying that "actively" balancing players, as 2K plans to do, requires to live in the present - not future. Who knows, maybe after adjusting this setup, they will adjust it again a month down the road. But the only way to balance things is to "try".

[BalkanPower]

That's the difference, you'd like changs asap, while I like to wait it out first before toning down a setup that hasn't been proven to be overpowered yet.

Neither opinion is wrong...they are opinions:)