Top Spin 4 - Player Balancing Updates

[djarvik]

I agree with Venom. You should not be able to sustain a Slice rally.

Slice should buy you time on defense or change pace mid rally causing an opponent to hit a weaker shot, because he just mistimed it by releasing early.

It is not about realism, it is about tennis basics. Winning a rally by hitting 4-5 slices in a raw, slices that make your opponent run and barely reach them, one after the other =- should be near impossible. No, make it impossible.

Definitely overpowered and need tuning in my opinion.

Don't get me started on a FH slices

You say tone down slices because they're overpowered and not like how they should be irl.

That is not what I am saying. Maybe you misread it.

I am saying slices are overpowered and should be toned down.

[tigerofintegrity]

I just played an itst match against someone with 85 on both wings, i think 86 on power and TI/MD skills. I played, of course, with one of my s&v players.
I had no chance. Still way too overpowered. And to most worrying: The serve stick beserker didn't seem to give me any advantage anymore. Placing the serve was really hard, even with 91 on serve. I didn't even hit one ace, even when I finally got it on the line. So, this for me felt even more unbalanced than before the update.

the person you played simply read you serve well you have to mix up you placement and spins aces are that important want you really want are short replys and unreturnables also grest speed and reflexs and good stamina and the ablilty to exploxit ur opponents weaknesses can help you beat theses overpowered characters or at least keep the match close though it would be much fun it be nice if i could find and the itst memebers of something like if we had an emblem for the tour like we have for each play style society

Sorry but I always mix up my serve. It was not that he "just" read my serve well. I couldn't place my serve as well as I could before the update. It's like I have to re-learn serving. Btw, the score was 6-3 7-6, which appears quite close but I never felt like it was possible for me to win.

I agree with this. Before this update, you did have to read a serve to get a good return on it if it was a good, big serve. Now you don't. It's not very difficult now to return all serves in and deep too.

[djarvik]

Give it some time and players will adjust to new Serve difficulty. They always do its been less then a day.

The timing window got smaller, but it is still a window and hitting thru it will yield a good serve.

[MJordan23]

Don't get me started on a FH slices

The forehand slice IRL is almost non-existant in the ATP, the only time I see it is when someones under extreme pressure and it`s not a very accurate and most likely your in big trouble on the next ball.

Played a guy on WT who sliced alot crosscourt and it keeps you from getting much pace on your groundstrokes. Too effective and it ends up in too many long rallys.....Would be great if tuned in the future.

[tigerofintegrity]

I agree with Venom. You should not be able to sustain a Slice rally.

Slice should buy you time on defense or change pace mid rally causing an opponent to hit a weaker shot, because he just mistimed it by releasing early.

It is not about realism, it is about tennis basics. Winning a rally by hitting 4-5 slices in a raw, slices that make your opponent run and barely reach them, one after the other =- should be near impossible. No, make it impossible.

Definitely overpowered and need tuning in my opinion.

Don't get me started on a FH slices

You say tone down slices because they're overpowered and not like how they should be irl.

That is not what I am saying. Maybe you misread it.

I am saying slices are overpowered and should be toned down.

But then you have to tone down top spin shots. Serve is toned down, drop shot is toned down, slice is toned down... then how do you compete with a top spin guy unless you use one too cos nothing else will hurt them now that you've toned everything else down. Slices are definitely not overpowered compared to other shots. If anything, I think the most overpowered shot is the top spin one.

[TomBs]

It's like I have to re-learn serving.

And I think that's exactly what you have to do. If after a change you can just produce line serves/aces all the time again after a short time, then there's still something wrong.

Edit: Hm, this thread is quite busy atm

And maybe everything indeed has to be toned down a bit, considering hitting errors is nearly impossible. Or maybe not toned down, just way more difficult to perform. Like mentioned in another thread, maybe put sensitivity on the left stick for shot direction.

Must say I haven't played with the update yet.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

is it possible to delete the patch?

i will test something(offline), with the original game ,without the patch

BTW:i know for online gaming i need the patch

[TomBs]

In ts3 you just had to re-install the game, guess it's the same for ts4.

[djarvik]

But then you have to tone down top spin shots. Serve is toned down, drop shot is toned down, slice is toned down... then how do you compete with a top spin guy unless you use one too cos nothing else will hurt them now that you've toned everything else down. Slices are definitely not overpowered compared to other shots. If anything, I think the most overpowered shot is the top spin one.

Why? I understand where you coming from. It is just not the case with slices.

I am beating Top Spin guys without using slices as offense, I never do. So it is simply not true that this is your only resort. It is more like the easiest counter...why? ..cause they are over powered.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

In ts3 you just had to re-install the game, guess it's the same for ts4.

yeah i tried this ,but i´m not sure it worked ,because after i had done this ,and i was going online again ,i didn´t got a new message about the updates .
so i´m not sure it works in that way .

[Rob ITST]

Did you clear the cache?

Remember though, you may lose other updates if you do.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

yes rob , this was the first thing i did , it not worked .
than later, i deleted the installed game.

hey but maybe here is the problem .i cleared the cache and than i started the installed game ,
maybe i must clear the cache +deleting the installed game, before i start playing .

i try it . thanks for your output rob

[Vieira151]

it shouldn't be possible hit power slices, just control or normal shot when you use slices.

Power slices should be kept. If they had side spin then you could reduce the speed, but since they don't, you should keep them. When i'm playing, I always use normal or control slices, but when I wish to chip and charge, and i usually use a power slice. It allows me to dig the ball in deep while I charge the net.

Yeah, slices should be tweaked. But don't get rid of power slices.

[venom400]

All im reading is , "sinve i canot get Countless free points off my serve and have to actually build points im losing .

Watch the pros man a lot of points are played , there are very little aces on a 3 setter , pne thing that is true and that it is absent from the game is the countless unforced errors that come from a a well placed kick serve , basicly anything that lands near the player is returned and that is not realistic

[venom400]

it shouldn't be possible hit power slices, just control or normal shot when you use slices.

Power slices should be kept. If they had side spin then you could reduce the speed, but since they don't, you should keep them. When i'm playing, I always use normal or control slices, but when I wish to chip and charge, and i usually use a power slice. It allows me to dig the ball in deep while I charge the net.

Yeah, slices should be tweaked. But don't get rid of power slices.

Its about taking power slices out of the game , its about making them less acurate and with a higher chance of going long , top spin is the only true consistant shot in tennis , flats are good for winners but also prone to errors , and slices mostly for defense , tp brin people closer to te net and to sometimes force errors