Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

[Andymachine]

No m8 i didnt report it as its a tricky one i feel , especially when 95 percent of the match has been played "fairly" so to speak, but i am with u on reporting anything ungamesman like , but its hard to do sometimes especially if they have a good normal game and if you like the person lol

[SoundfSilence]

No m8 i didnt report it as its a tricky one i feel , especially when 95 percent of the match has been played "fairly" so to speak, but i am with u on reporting anything ungamesman like , but its hard to do sometimes especially if they have a good normal game and if you like the person lol

I understand. It only takes 5% of cheesy play to ruin what would be a great match though. The host can keep it confidential should you want it to be.

This is the only way for our ITST community to get rid of cheesy play though, is if people report it...

[Mack2300]

I agree it isnt the most realistic shot in the book Sound , but i have seen the top players all use it in matches that i have played against them, especially when they are down or at 5 all or especially in tie breaks and i mean all of the players either that or risk returns , which i use a lot but ive always been up front about the fact that i use risk a lot on returns

I played a player in a recent quarter final that didnt use a risk slice until the first point of the tiebreak then did it on each serve i hit, it was very frustrating

uhh..only thing worse than an "out-and-out" cheeser is a "selective" cheeser If you have to cheese, at least do it from the start. I've had a few experiences in wt where players wait until they are down a break point or the tiebreak as you say to suddenly bust out the cheese. Now that is really annoying

[Moralspain]

What do you really want to know Niten?, if it´s cheesy or if it´s ilegal?, not the same thing

I want to know if it s ok to use this tactic.

I did it a couple of times against cheesy World Tour players, and it works very well, almost no chance to do anything against it, especially if your service is good.

Returning from inside the field for example: Is this cheesy or ilegal? I guess both.

If you still don t know what i mean, Djarvic seems to know what i mean. He can it explain to you.

If Djarvik knows then everything is ok

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

at end of the day all is only blablabla.
i run yesterday in another itst player who played short slices with a 151kg linedancing monster.

i stopped match and wrote him to stopp that shit .

he simple answered:there is no rule or anything else what fobidden him to play in that wise!! he can play like he will play :
also by itst

and i must say , the guy say the trueth !!

he just do all to win without breaking a itst rule - and that is correct !!
we have only 2 rules : not returning from inside and no serving from tramline !!!!! everything else is legal

so what ?????????

i have now same opinion

create rules or shut up and play the game !!

[jfcbpp]

No m8 i didnt report it as its a tricky one i feel , especially when 95 percent of the match has been played "fairly" so to speak, but i am with u on reporting anything ungamesman like , but its hard to do sometimes especially if they have a good normal game and if you like the person lol

I understand. It only takes 5% of cheesy play to ruin what would be a great match though. The host can keep it confidential should you want it to be.

This is the only way for our ITST community to get rid of cheesy play though, is if people report it...

It's true, I'm getting better but can u compete with a serve-slice? I get frustrate and try to win is a lost cause because is really unfair! Also the high or lobb returns :S doesn't happen in real life!

I only agree with risk return because is dificult to do it and was what Agassi was best at..

NO CHEESE PLAY FOR NO ONE, NOT EVEN TOP 20 PLAYERS..

When I first started to play I was a cheese player but

[jfcbpp]

bu not anymore thanks to SoundSilence who explained to me n I realice there are more ways to make points, maybe a harder but DEFINITLY FUNIER N ENJOYABLE!!!

SAY NO TO CHEESE PLAYERS AND REPORT IT!

[Amazing Matheja]

...because is really unfair! Also the high or lobb returns :S doesn't happen in real life!
...

With lags,that's the new trick that makes me quit TS3...Totally unreal,unfair and cheesy...

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

you mean lobbing as return?

[Amazing Matheja]

It's not pure Lobs...It's more like "moon balls"...

[Coolhand Texas]

It's not pure Lobs...It's more like "moon balls"...

do you mean like a high top spin, or is the guy actually hitting Y (lob) while you are not at the net?

[Amazing Matheja]

i talk about some returns...
I believe we can do this by already pressing (and holding) left trigger...and just press "b" when the ball arrives...When done accidently it's ok off course...But i'm 100% sure that some fellows handle those very well and there i found those a bit cheesy/unfair/unrealistic...

[Sherlock 117]

If it's not easy to do it's not cheesy. Remember the definition of cheesy: a tactic with low risk but high reward, and not in the spirit of the game. If it's not a low risk shot there is nothing wrong with it because it still leaves a balanced selection of shots, and higher risk shots should be rewarded with higher reward. Risk slice returning is cheesy because it is relatively low risk for how effective the shot is.

[Amazing Matheja]

I agree with you man Sherlock!
I was not asking to ban a shot,or saying it was highly cheesy...
Just to say that this new "tactic" was boring to me (but more because it's not "tennistic" to see this on 75% of returns-more or less and mostly on crucial points)...And that,with lags,those "tactics" was killing my like for this game...
PS : about lags : i know we can't do anything,it's not anybody's fault,it's like that and it's (mostly,i hope) the same for both players...
But i just can't deal with it!
since my timing is based on the balls rebounds...
And lags just kill that timing...
And absolutely nothing personal against anybody...Don't take this too bad/seriously

[Puttu puttuu]

As sherlock pointed out . Hitting a lt B return like i do is not the easiest thing to do . I agree with the statement the harder it is to perform , the less cheezy it is I use this tactic against S V players because it disrupts their timing at the net . The thing is if i return simply by just pressing A or B i get punished straight away . Any guy would hit a clear winner from the net .

I do these returns to force S V players to stay back and fight from the baseline . A good S and volleyer should have a back up plan , you can't just rely on forcing yourself to the net on every single point . Against a good returner , the points will be short and dull .

Anyway i felt concerned as i think zizou told me i did these moon ball returns . He wasnt critical in any way , he didn't think they were unfair.