the right to bear arms.......

[emate007]

"It is better to stay in bed and pretend to be asleep while you're being robbed. This way everybody wins."

W T F ?!



I wanted to quote the exact words, but this thread has exploded and I'm short on time. It was something like that...


But yeah - getting robbed because you weren't injured is a win??!?
AAAhhh!!!

I have never owned a gun, but have been subject to 2 attempted home invasions. Both occurred within 2 months and in the same house. Both times we were lucky enough to be there when the guy thought the house was empty. The first time a female housemate's timid "what do you want?" was enough to scare him off, after he had scaled a fence and was trying to enter a locked window.

The second time I was taking a fake sick day, and watching a movie at 11am. Through the wall I heard some rustling in the bush where NOBODY should be...
and after a short panic/adrenaline rush, I went on the offensive. As in shouting and hitting the wall to let him know I was onto him. By the time I got to the backyard he was gone.

Pretending to not be there never crossed my mind.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

i have readed the whole thread .
its interresting to hear the opinions .

look how much homicides/murdering happens in countrys where weapons are not allowed ,like germany -and look in USA

for me ,i´m not wondering ,that the USA have nearly the most criminals ,and nearly the most murderers on the planet.

as long this "JOHN WANE" mentality from US citizens not will change -as long it is allowed to have weapens,for nearly everyone ,so long this goes forward . kills over kills

no weapons = -much less criminal acts .that simple

plus the politics at all must change
its a very unsocial politics in USA -
POOR desperate people + weapons whooooooooohoooo
its not a wonder that this all happens

also ridicolous is the wrong morals from USA: weapons and brutality is okay in USA .- but when you show naked titts and mumus in most parts from USA -you go for 1- 10 years in jail . just a sick wrong morality.

the politics have a main fault.

by the way ,this people kill not guns -is a stupid slogan . without guns people can´t kill . no?

and don´t say people would kill than with a knife or something else.
its much more difficult to kill someone with a knife as with a gun.
physikly and mentality

[coke4]

"It is better to stay in bed and pretend to be asleep while you're being robbed. This way everybody wins."

W T F ?!



I wanted to quote the exact words, but this thread has exploded and I'm short on time. It was something like that...


But yeah - getting robbed because you weren't injured is a win??!?
AAAhhh!!!

I have never owned a gun, but have been subject to 2 attempted home invasions. Both occurred within 2 months and in the same house. Both times we were lucky enough to be there when the guy thought the house was empty. The first time a female housemate's timid "what do you want?" was enough to scare him off, after he had scaled a fence and was trying to enter a locked window.

The second time I was taking a fake sick day, and watching a movie at 11am. Through the wall I heard some rustling in the bush where NOBODY should be...
and after a short panic/adrenaline rush, I went on the offensive. As in shouting and hitting the wall to let him know I was onto him. By the time I got to the backyard he was gone.

Pretending to not be there never crossed my mind.

This is a fair point, I know of many people who have done similar and succeeded, including my mother, however I have also heard of many people trying to do it and end up being beaten up seriously, knifed or shot. I think a lot depends on the time of day. Those who rob during the day are more likely to run away (all cases I have heard of people running away happened during the day) while all the cases I have heard of people being beaten have happened at night, maybe what I have heard is coincidence. I think if I was at home during the day and someone tried breaking in I would confront them, but I night I would stay in bed.

[emate007]

Fair enough, it's difficult to say if I would have reacted the same way at night.
Maybe I would have been a pansy at night, maybe not.

But I would still call it a loss if I got robbed.

[Moralspain]

yep each situation is different, anyway i found this on the internet:

If you have taken all of the above preventative measures and someone still manages to enter your home illegally, then be prepared. Call 911 and hide so you do not put yourself in direct danger. Do practice tests with your family to make sure everyone knows where to go and how to handle the situation.

If you have nowhere to hide or are confronted by the criminal then do not try to protect your valuables; at the end of the day it is your life that is most important. Objects can be replaced but your family cannot.

Read more: How to Prevent a Home Robbery | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com

[djarvik]

While we are talking here, a few dozen little girls were kidnapped, another few dozen killed on the road, another few dozen died from legal toys sold in stores...and so on.

your point?

People kill, not guns. Guns are the means.

A gun will stop anyone in his tracks, tazer will not.

A girl was killed not thanks to a gun, but rather thanks to irresponsible adults. Its an accident. Every accident can be prevented. All accidents cannot be.

You throw one example and try to make it seem like: "this IS the problem with the world" I disagree, this is not the norm, this is a freak accident and need to be treated as such.


Was alcohol prohibition successful? ...is drug prohibition successful? .... you think guns will be different?

Wake up. Making something illegal only creates problems, always has.

We are more then functional as a society, some say we are even a strong country. We dont have a "Problem", plenty of issues, but no "Problem".

We can always get better, improve. Guns are nothing new to US, and yet we manage survive so far, even strive, right?

One example? things like his are happening all the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4371403.stm
Already this year 2 people have been killed in school shootings, 12 were killed last year. These things are happening all the time. Its not an isolated thing to happen.

A you say the gun provides a means of killing some, would this guy have been able to kill so many people without a gun? no. Would these school massacres be happening, most probably not.
You say that a girl was killed thanks to an irresponsible individual, true, but due to your system, that irresponsible individual can legally and easily get a gun.

As for stun guns, I completely disagree, one bullet might not be enough to kill someone or stop them in their tracks, three seconds with a stun gun and they are effectively paralysed for around 15 minutes. a Quarter of a second is all that is needed to stun the person.

I would say the way we handle guns in Europe is much better than the way you handle guns in America in my opinion.

Are you aware of a total legal population in America?


Look these up:

Erfurt massacre
Dunblane massacre
Winnenden school shooting
Kauhajoki school shooting
Jokela school shooting
Geschwister Scholl School attack
Terra College
Coburg shooting
Aarhus University Shooting


Unfortunately, its the numbers game. More people more incidents. Of course even 1 incident is too many, but considering all things - it is far from school shooting epidemic. These are mentally ill people, in not guns - than it would have been home made bombs, or kidnapping and torturing then killing. Once a mentally ill person fixates on killing, he will accomplish it with or without guns. Yes, it is easier with guns...but it also easier to prevent these shootings when a school guard carries a weapon.

You are making as one sided as possible Coke. Once again, we are a functioning society/country. We function better then most countries in the world and we are a big country, which is a hard thing to manage. Do I like how things are? NO. But I cannot deny that we are here, alive and breathing.

Coke, after all, you have your opinion and I have mine. I doubt you can change mine or me yours, I am too stubborn to less then factual arguments. Come to USA spend sometime with us "gun owing Americans" and then tell the world all the horrible things that are happening here.

Oh and dont forget to cover your head and be very quite when someone is breaking into your house ...just be sure not spook him, or you will be sued for spooking a criminal in your house. A terrible offense as it seems. (I am joking, man, just sounds silly)

BTW I am all for a more strict laws, but completely against eliminating guns from civilians all together. I cant help but think whats next? Knifes?

@Emate - check this out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/apr/2 ... n.ukcrime3

[djarvik]

i have readed the whole thread .
its interresting to hear the opinions .

look how much homicides/murdering happens in countrys where weapons are not allowed ,like germany -and look in USA

for me ,i´m not wondering ,that the USA have nearly the most criminals ,and nearly the most murderers on the planet.

as long this "JOHN WANE" mentality from US citizens not will change -as long it is allowed to have weapens,for nearly everyone ,so long this goes forward . kills over kills

no weapons = -much less criminal acts .that simple

plus the politics at all must change
its a very unsocial politics in USA -
POOR desperate people + weapons whooooooooohoooo
its not a wonder that this all happens

also ridicolous is the wrong morals from USA: weapons and brutality is okay in USA .- but when you show naked titts and mumus in most parts from USA -you go for 1- 10 years in jail . just a sick wrong morality.

the politics have a main fault.

by the way ,this people kill not guns -is a stupid slogan . without guns people can´t kill . no?

and don´t say people would kill than with a knife or something else.
its much more difficult to kill someone with a knife as with a gun.
physikly and mentality

Is that what you perceive Americans to be?

Are all of you see it this way?

Its sad really.

[Coolhand Texas]

you know the thing is, that even if we had gun laws, that guy in arizona would have gotten a gun anyways. If he was that desperate to attack midday in a public space, he would have find away to get a gun.

[djarvik]

you know the thing is, that even if we had gun laws, that guy in arizona would have gotten a gun anyways. If he was that desperate to attack midday in a public space, he would have find away to get a gun.

....or google "home made bombs"

[coke4]

Are you aware of a total legal population in America?


Look these up:

Erfurt massacre
Dunblane massacre
Winnenden school shooting
Kauhajoki school shooting
Jokela school shooting
Geschwister Scholl School attack
Terra College
Coburg shooting
Aarhus University Shooting


Unfortunately, its the numbers game. More people more incidents. Of course even 1 incident is too many, but considering all things - it is far from school shooting epidemic. These are mentally ill people, in not guns - than it would have been home made bombs, or kidnapping and torturing then killing. Once a mentally ill person fixates on killing, he will accomplish it with or without guns. Yes, it is easier with guns...but it also easier to prevent these shootings when a school guard carries a weapon.

You are making as one sided as possible Coke. Once again, we are a functioning society/country. We function better then most countries in the world and we are a big country, which is a hard thing to manage. Do I like how things are? NO. But I cannot deny that we are here, alive and breathing.

Coke, after all, you have your opinion and I have mine. I doubt you can change mine or me yours, I am too stubborn to less then factual arguments. Come to USA spend sometime with us "gun owing Americans" and then tell the world all the horrible things that are happening here.

Oh and dont forget to cover your head and be very quite when someone is breaking into your house ...just be sure not spook him, or you will be sued for spooking a criminal in your house. A terrible offense as it seems. (I am joking, man, just sounds silly)

BTW I am all for a more strict laws, but completely against eliminating guns from civilians all together. I cant help but think whats next? Knifes?

@Emate - check this out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/apr/2 ... n.ukcrime3

If you want to talk numbers, 97 people have been killed in the last 5 years in school shootings in the US, while 58 have been killed in the last 10 years in Europe. And then on top of that you have to consider Europ has a population of over 800 million while the US has one of over 300 mil.
You also have to take into account that after Erfurt and Dunblane they decided to act and bring in tighter regulations.

I'm not saying our situation is perfect in Europe, but it works much better than in America.

[Coolhand Texas]

you all keep saying no weapons?

There is no feasible way to make sure that they are no weapons! what you are proposing is to take away guns from the citizens who use them for protection or hunting, and letting the criminals have them.

Dont tell me that criminals wont get them, they will. Drugs are illegal, but damn if i wanted some i could find some.

[coke4]

you all keep saying no weapons?

There is no feasible way to make sure that they are no weapons! what you are proposing is to take away guns from the citizens who use them for protection or hunting, and letting the criminals have them.

Dont tell me that criminals wont get them, they will. Drugs are illegal, but damn if i wanted some i could find some.

Criminals get them, fight between themselves, very few civillians get killed, how things happen in Ireland

[djarvik]

Are you aware of a total legal population in America?


Look these up:

Erfurt massacre
Dunblane massacre
Winnenden school shooting
Kauhajoki school shooting
Jokela school shooting
Geschwister Scholl School attack
Terra College
Coburg shooting
Aarhus University Shooting


Unfortunately, its the numbers game. More people more incidents. Of course even 1 incident is too many, but considering all things - it is far from school shooting epidemic. These are mentally ill people, in not guns - than it would have been home made bombs, or kidnapping and torturing then killing. Once a mentally ill person fixates on killing, he will accomplish it with or without guns. Yes, it is easier with guns...but it also easier to prevent these shootings when a school guard carries a weapon.

You are making as one sided as possible Coke. Once again, we are a functioning society/country. We function better then most countries in the world and we are a big country, which is a hard thing to manage. Do I like how things are? NO. But I cannot deny that we are here, alive and breathing.

Coke, after all, you have your opinion and I have mine. I doubt you can change mine or me yours, I am too stubborn to less then factual arguments. Come to USA spend sometime with us "gun owing Americans" and then tell the world all the horrible things that are happening here.

Oh and dont forget to cover your head and be very quite when someone is breaking into your house ...just be sure not spook him, or you will be sued for spooking a criminal in your house. A terrible offense as it seems. (I am joking, man, just sounds silly)

BTW I am all for a more strict laws, but completely against eliminating guns from civilians all together. I cant help but think whats next? Knifes?

@Emate - check this out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/apr/2 ... n.ukcrime3

If you want to talk numbers, 97 people have been killed in the last 5 years in school shootings in the US, while 58 have been killed in the last 10 years in Europe. And then on top of that you have to consider Europ has a population of over 800 million while the US has one of over 300 mil.
You also have to take into account that after Erfurt and Dunblane they decided to act and bring in tighter regulations.

I'm not saying our situation is perfect in Europe, but it works much better than in America.

Seriously Coke? ...shouldn't you be adding up only the population of countries involved and not the whole Europe?

You like your situation - we like ours. So buzz off.

[Moralspain]

I see our (ITST) americans friends love guns but 1 question, what the rest of your compatriots think about it? has a "poll" been made?, just to know....the thoughts about it change between the 50 states?? the east...the west??

[Vieira151]

Okay, i dont really have an opinion on this sort of thing. Cause both legalising guns or having them illegal have their pros and cons. And it depends on how the goverment wants it to work.

I was looking for some stats that prove that Glasgow is one of the most dangerous cities in 'developed' countries(cause places like baghdad etc are really really bad). I couldnt' but if somebody could, it would prove that making guns illegal wont necessary help things...

I was also looking through siome stuff, and some guy said that a lot of violent crime stats will also take into account gang warfare, which is pretty big in america(or is that stereotypical? )



PS on a lighter note, was looking at some stuff, and found This.. I lol'ed at number 6