UFC 103

[jayl0ve]

They don't know who Fedor is!??

Fedor and Anderson Silva are HUUUUUGE in the US, especially Fedor....when he fought Brett Rogers in November '09, the ENTIRE crowd was cheering for FEDOR! I thought it was awesome!

BJ Penn is of course huge as well, but he's American.


However, like Germany, there is still this 'brutal' misconception in the US among people who aren't very familiar with MMA. The funny thing is that boxers take MUCH MORE punishment to their heads/brains than MMA fighters!! If an MMA fighter is taking repeated, undefended blows to the head...the fight is stopped!! Right away!! Boxers get knocked down and repeatedly have to stand up to take more punishment to their heads.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

hey bloufo ,you also watch UFC -PRIDE - DREAM or K1 -kickboxing at all ?
that is much more fighting, more action . you know not so much taktik .i like that you can fught like in real with kicks. not only with punches

Not at all, GOA.
I have hardly ever watched or been interested in anything to do with kickboxing or similar type of fighting.
My interest with regard to fighting sports, as you can see with my posts in this thread, is only with boxing.
It has a tradition and history (dating back to the bare-knuckle era in the 1700's) that very few other contact sports can match, and so that is also part of it's appeal to me.

bar knuckle fights i like to see- thats different from boxing.
that is more fighting .
i agree with jon . today in boxing they use big gloves and when one boxer defend only behind his gloves,or he start clinching for a break -the oponent can not do much .
in MMA it gave no breaks . there is full power from begining .one mistake can bring you the loose
thats a main part why boxing bouts are mostly boring .not all fights are boring- when both will fight ala crazy tyson ,the fight will be great .

you say boxing is from 1700 as one of the oldest fight sport - but, martial arts like kung fu ,karate,dek wan do, judo kickboxing and and and are much older . like 1000 v .chr. or older
the mixed material art fights as sports exist since 1990(circa)

you never saw MMA ? or you saw MMA and you don´t like it at all ?

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

But don t await to much from germans when it comes to combat sports or martial arts.

we have 2 german fighter in MMA . dennis silver and another (forgett name )

and one of the craziest MMA UFC fighters ever was german : KIMO

[Mike Rotchtickles]

The funny thing is that boxers take MUCH MORE punishment to their heads/brains than MMA fighters!! If an MMA fighter is taking repeated, undefended blows to the head...the fight is stopped!! Right away!! Boxers get knocked down and repeatedly have to stand up to take more punishment to their heads.

What's that called in your sport?
I mean in boxing, taking unanswered blows is almost always stopped by the ref and deemed a TKO. So up to that point it's not really different to what you describe. I'm not sure what goes on out in the sticks, but boxing ref's in the main boxing commissions of Vegas, New York, New Jersey etc have, not to my knowledge, allowed boxers to take repeated and unnecessary punishment.
As a whole yeah over a 12 round period I would assume that boxers do dish out more and receive more blows than in your sport. But as I said in another post, I know very little with regard to UFC or whatever it's called, I don't know at what round limits the fights are set or how long on average those contests last, so I can't be sure on my last point.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

However, like Germany, there is still this 'brutal' misconception in the US among people who aren't very familiar with MMA. The funny thing is that boxers take MUCH MORE punishment to their heads/brains than MMA fighters!! If an MMA fighter is taking repeated, undefended blows to the head...the fight is stopped!! Right away!! Boxers get knocked down and repeatedly have to stand up to take more punishment to their heads.

the main problem for UFC in germany is that .
the gouverment means UFC is against our moral -because its allowed to kick and punch a helpless oponent when he is on the floor !!
thats against every moral ,without rules
thats totally bullshit .
that is the statement why UFC have problems in german fre TV .
this guys don´t know from what they are talking about.
first UFC have more than 20 rules (not much know that )
second when a fighter is helpless on the floor , unable to defend himself ,the referee stopps the fight


BTW: UFC got canceled from TV - but yesterday night the DSF channel send forward the UFC in VERSUS event from sunday .
against the german justice adjudgement . respekt DSF !!
that was so cool

[Mike Rotchtickles]

i agree with jon . today in boxing they use big gloves and when one boxer defend only behind his gloves,or he start clinching for a break -the oponent can not do much .

The boxing gloves are not exactly what you would call huge in size.
Pro fight gloves range from 8 to 10 ounces. It's been determined in boxing that anything lighter or with less padding than that, will almost certainly result in hand damage and cause more serious injury to the opponent. UFC guys wear lighter gloves or a different type of glove?

you say boxing is from 1700 as one of the oldest fight sport - but, martial arts like kung fu ,karate,dek wan do, judo kickboxing and and and are much older . like 1000 v .chr. or older
the mixed material art fights as sports exist since 1990(circa)

I gave the bare-knuckle era just as an example.
There have been detailed accounts of boxing matches that date back to even before Christ, in the Greek and Roman periods of the time. Not many can claim a lineage to their sport that goes as far back as that.

you never saw MMA ? or you saw MMA and you don´t like it at all ?

Only on very rare ocassions have I sat down and watched it.
Do I like it? I can't say either way until I watch some more of those type of fights.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

i agree with jon . today in boxing they use big gloves and when one boxer defend only behind his gloves,or he start clinching for a break -the oponent can not do much .
in MMA it gave no breaks . there is full power from begining .one mistake can bring you the loose
thats a main part why boxing bouts are mostly boring .not all fights are boring- when both will fight ala crazy tyson ,the fight will be great .

The boxing gloves are not exactly what you would call huge in size.
Pro fight gloves range from 8 to 10 ounces. It's been determined in boxing that anything lighter or with less padding than that, will almost certainly result in hand damage and cause more serious injury to the opponent. UFC guys wear lighter gloves or a different type of glove?

yes in UFC you have different gloves -very small cushioned gloves with open fingers (for grappling : i will later search for a pic from UFC gloves .
by boxing the punches goes to 90%to the head - that is why boxing is more dangerous (look ali - ) for your head .for 12-15 rounds .

in ufc is different -there are only 3 rounds- and there not all shots comes to the head - the whole body is hitable (without balls,eyes,fishhooking)

back to gloves- with this big gloves its more hard to hit the face full ,when the opponent make hands up with this big sized gloves -much more hard.
thats why you allways needs tactic and time to hit opponent exactly. so boxing have a big tactic factor .
when one fighter not fight offense ,it needs even more tactic .

maybe you watch a few more MMA events in future - when you like intense fighting, i think you will like it .
mean ,i will forward watch boxing,definitifly

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

here the ufc gloves .big difference to boxing gloves

[Mike Rotchtickles]

Ok thanks, GOA.
and yeah what you say about boxing is true in terms of tactics.
but it doesn't mean that if one fighter is covering up, that it's overly difficult or impossible to get through. The problem is if that defensive fighter is also durable, can absorb punishment and just hang tough and last it out.
but usually, repeated body punching will bring those gloves down, even punching on the arms themselves can cause damage to blood vessels, muscle damage etc, and those hands will eventually drop.
You ever heard of or watched tapes of fights of a guy called Rocky Marciano? He was a master at what I just described.

[djarvik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VyzII09Hos

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

yes i know rocky marciano- hes a legend in boxing sports.

here a small example why i like MMA more than boxing(sorry for bad quality )
much more action by MMA bouts
1 round UFC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYZiLkg6kM

in 3 minutes ufc happens more than in a 12 round boxing bout (just my opinion )

[Saarbrigga]

Hey bloufo,

c you are from South Africa. I guess you know "The Sniper" Corrie Sanders from Pretoria. He KTFO Wladimir Klitschko in 2003, and lost to his holder brother Vitali in 2004.

His punches were amazing fast for a heavyweight.

[Mike Rotchtickles]

Very fast hands for a heavyweight.
In particular his straight left thrown with blinding speed from the southpaw stance, was lethal. That was his money punch.
Trouble with Sanders was that he didn't have much dedication to the sport. He never looked completely in shape to go 12 hard rounds if needed. That was a shame because he had all the tools (height, reach, punching power, speed) to do more damage in the HW division than what he did.

@ GOA,
I'll take your point with regard to that sport having more frenetic action in a shorter period of time, and of course this is a UFC thread and clearly you're a huge fan, as am I with regard to boxing. But this kickboxing UFC/MMA might as well be on a different planet when compared to the overall popularity, money involved and the world-wide global audience of boxing. That said though, your point was regarding the action in the ring and not out of it, and with that youtube video you referred to, yeah I can see how one could favor that sport in terms of fast paced action over a shorter period.

[jayl0ve]

That fight is a bit of an exception. Clay Guida is kind of known for throwing caution to the wind like that...not the smartest strategy by a long shot, but it's pretty exciting to watch.

Honestly I do not see many MMA fights that I consider "duds". The exceptions are 1) Two wrestlers who just smother each other on the ground and worry about maintaining dominant position more than trying to end the fight and 2) Decision victories. Hate them with a passion....I don't care how good the fight was, ending on a decision is so anti-climactic as to basically ruin the fight.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

its true,not every UFC BOUT starts in that way. i choiced the sanchez -guida bout ,to show clearly the difference to boxing bouts and way i like UFC -esspecially the fights with open visor are awesome to watch.esspecially guida is allways" pumped up " in his fights.
i like this crazy long hair guy

this weekend start UFC 111 . awesome!!