It's shameful the unsportsmanlike Ferrari F1 attitude.

[Elargento]

what i meant by bitch is that he sold himself there, he could have hold his position despite going against others interests. i really don't see f1 as a sport but i like to watch it anyways, like i like to watch poker also.

[WILLPETER]

About the necessary points to win, the championship is open yet... including for Massa.

Absolutly true...It gives a great championship but races are......zzzzzzz...

What happened was a disgrace. Ferrari proved not deserve the respect of all the fans of Formula 1, because again this team act shaming this category of sport.

There i found you should cool down about Ferrari...They all do this!
Red Bull does the same : Vettel has the newest technology...Webber has the last year technology (since he destroyed his car...)
McLaren has done the same...Ask David Coulthard! (In 98 he did let Hakkinen overtake him TWICE in a race!)
You have a lot of exemples...It's not only Ferrari man...

And everyone knows that Mr. Fernando Alonso is a 'pilot' liar, sly and boor, who has not capacity enough to work for a fair win or a honorable defeat. If he can pisser in someone's head to achieve their goals, he will do it. Money is the power.

Here again,i can't agree with you...Alonso is a great champ!A true top pilot!Fuoriclasse!!^^ The way he raced when he was at Minardi,the way he won his 1st two titles for Renault,beating old and new champ,it was fair,straight,and sometimes highly classy!Don't blame the guy for reasons he's not responsible of...It's the team deciding...

Whoever loses is just us, lovers of the sport.
WILLPETER

There i do agree with you...But you should reconsider your positions about ferrari and alonso...

But in all,we both know Senna is the man,no?

Of course, mate!! Senna is the man!!!! Simply the Best... ever.

But, as I said, Senna did not accept being unjustly benefited, as did not accept any team orders, which could affect him. There was no 'victory clause' in his contract... he repudiated this shameful artifice.
This is called HONOR.

Nobody is stupid to believe that Alonso did not know and / or participated in all the sordid facts that gave his controversial victories.
Remember the many times that Fisichella let Alonso pass (Renault) ...
Remember the accident 'calculated' in Singapore, when Nelson Piquet Jr. hit the wall to trigger the entry of the Safety Car and ensure the victory of Alonso. That race was worth big money. Everything has been revealed. Briatore was banned for this.

And Alonso always appears on these facts filthy. It's clear ... It's a shame.

I'm sorry, but against all these facts (and I did not say everything) you say "Alonso is a great champ! The true top pilot !..." is an INSULT to the memory of Senna and all the other TRUE champions.


WILLPETER

[Amazing Matheja]

Ok...I will not endlessly talk about this but...You're completely wrong.
Alonso is a wonderful racer,no doubts...Briatore is a crazy businessman...
As a pilot Alonso will NEVER say "send this pilot in the wall" NEVER!You're crazy to believe this!
Briatore told Piquet Jr to crash himself into a wall and this young (stupid?) kid obeyed his boss hoping for a F1 car to pilot year after...
So again don't accuse Alonso for something he's not involved in...You can find it weird that it happens in teams where he is but that's all...When he was racing with cheap cars (Minardi) he was already struggling with the best...That pilot is a true racer!Any guy who knows a bit about F1 knows that...

[WILLPETER]

Ok...I will not endlessly talk about this but...You're completely wrong.
Alonso is a wonderful racer,no doubts...Briatore is a crazy businessman...
As a pilot Alonso will NEVER say "send this pilot in the wall" NEVER!You're crazy to believe this!
Briatore told Piquet Jr to crash himself into a wall and this young (stupid?) kid obeyed his boss hoping for a F1 car to pilot year after...
So again don't accuse Alonso for something he's not involved in...You can find it weird that it happens in teams where he is but that's all...When he was racing with cheap cars (Minardi) he was already struggling with the best...That pilot is a true racer!Any guy who knows a bit about F1 knows that...

I have 30 years old and, for sure, I know much more than just a bit of F1.
If you do not understand until now, I'll chew and put in your mouth:

I talk about ethics. I talk about honor. I talk about building a true champion.

I do not talk about driving skills. It's not worth anything to a pilot who sold his soul. It's just an empty bag.

I think you understand. No?


WILLPETER

[coke4]

Ok...I will not endlessly talk about this but...You're completely wrong.
Alonso is a wonderful racer,no doubts...Briatore is a crazy businessman...
As a pilot Alonso will NEVER say "send this pilot in the wall" NEVER!You're crazy to believe this!
Briatore told Piquet Jr to crash himself into a wall and this young (stupid?) kid obeyed his boss hoping for a F1 car to pilot year after...
So again don't accuse Alonso for something he's not involved in...You can find it weird that it happens in teams where he is but that's all...When he was racing with cheap cars (Minardi) he was already struggling with the best...That pilot is a true racer!Any guy who knows a bit about F1 knows that...

I have 30 years old and, for sure, I know much more than just a bit of F1.
If you do not understand until now, I'll chew and put in your mouth:

I talk about ethics. I talk about honor. I talk about building a true champion.

I do not talk about driving skills. It's not worth anything to a pilot who sold his soul. It's just an empty bag.

I think you understand. No?


WILLPETER

Hey, werent you banned?

Anyway i dont see the big deal here, whats wrong with telling your driver to let the other driver overtake him, Massa didnt have to do it, and if he he didnt like the decision he didnt have t do it. And Alonso hardly did anything wrong

[Amazing Matheja]

Will,
Well if you want to see some Senna's spirit watch MotoGP or Superbike...
Cause none of the F1 pilots are close to those Senna,Prost,Mansell,Lauda "spirit"...It's over dude!That time is over!If you cry cause of that,you just wake up a bit late man...Even in WRC now!Sordo could also use a toothbrush when he drives before Loeb,no?Team (society?) work!
Ok...In all,we're thinking more or less in the same way except that i don't understand why you spit on those pliots...It's modern F1 and if you have to spit on someone spit on Montezemolo,Briatore,Ecclestone,Mosley,Helfant,or i don't know who...

[WILLPETER]

Hey, werent you banned?

Will I need to answer this question?

[WILLPETER]

Will,
Well if you want to see some Senna's spirit watch MotoGP or Superbike...
Cause none of the F1 pilots are close to those Senna,Prost,Mansell,Lauda "spirit"...It's over dude!That time is over!If you cry cause of that,you just wake up a bit late man...Even in WRC now!Sordo could also use a toothbrush when he drives before Loeb,no?Team (society?) work!
Ok...In all,we're thinking more or less in the same way except that i don't understand why you spit on those pliots...It's modern F1 and if you have to spit on someone spit on Montezemolo,Briatore,Ecclestone,Mosley,Helfant,or i don't know who...

I agree with you, brother.




WILLPETER

[jayl0ve]

No offense but WTF is going on here?

[WILLPETER]

Please guys...

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB_epHpT ... ded#at=375

Look at the eyes of Lewis, on entering the Senna's car.

Listen to the comments.

Valeu Ayrton! Você é o mestre! espero que possa ler isso de onde estiver.




WILLPETER

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

its not only ferrari where do this. every team in F1 would do that in same situation !!
every team!!
i´m sure when senna drives today -he would do the same!
coz you can nothing do about, as a driver !!
the teammanagement decide that. and when the team management say "jump", the driver have to jump - or his future in the team is over.
don´t care his name is senna lauda schuhmacher hamilton ,massa,button or vettel.

thats a fact in 2010 racing!!

[WILLPETER]

its not only ferrari where do this. every team in F1 would do that in same situation !!
every team!!
i´m sure when senna drives today -he would do the same!
coz you can nothing do about, as a driver !!
the teammanagement decide that. and when the team management say "jump", the driver have to jump - or his future in the team is over.
don´t care his name is senna lauda schuhmacher hamilton ,massa,button or vettel.

thats a fact in 2010 racing!!

Sorry, but it's clear that you don't know about the history and character of Senna. He was a true champion. He never needed win unfairly. He always abolished this idea.
It is not by chance that he is the icon and reference maximum of the F1.

[Moralspain]

No offense but WTF is going on here?

conspirations, lies, injustices, heroes, villains, money......

[Moralspain]

btw as you can imagine the media is talking about what happened last weekend, and it seems that back in 2008 Kovalainen did the same with Hamilton and let him win a race, btw Hamilton won the Championship that year. but there were many more that year for example, the following is an example from 2008

"Ferrari shuffled Felipe Massa out of Kimi Raikkonen’s path at Interlagos last year to deliver the drivers’ championship to his team mate; Nick Heidfeld presented Robert Kubica with no resistance at Montreal this year, allowing Kubica to score the team’s maiden victory; Heikki Kovalainen refrained from racing Lewis Hamilton at Hockenheim in the closing stages"

I don't what happened when Sena raced, but that was the past...nowadays team orders are the norm. BTW team orders are banned in F1 regulations, i guess a fine is not enough "punishment" though.

[Chederer]

you have to do this....especially if your team has the chance to win the championship...you all win more money....