HEY YOU SIM PLAYER, I HAVE AN IDEA.

[matiasfederer]

I do this post to ask you for an idea that I have:
"If we understand the SIM as Simulation, I think we must add something that makes the sim tour more real: The 2nd serve. It means the 2nd serve must be with some kind of effect or safe, but never risk, because no one (pro tennis players) serve "with risk" in that hit."

It's an idea and I want your opinion then, If the poll is positive, we can make it real.

[Ir0kuM4t4]

Personally I completely disagree for the following reasons:

- Some players on reality, like Sampras for exampled used a lot to risk on the second service. It's a risk that the player is taking but it could make the difference. So on the game, of course that, even if the risk shot after some use is easy to do, it still can be failed while the other services are never failed. So on this situation I think that it's even a bigger risk if we are risking on the second service, if you know what I mean lol. Plus for example on a laggy connection it's much harder to serve with risk so for that reason I think risk still should be used on the second service;

- Second, as I already once said on a post and other players like Sunny and everything agreed with me personally I think that the "normal services" (safe, topspin is not allowed so doesn't count, slice) shouldn't be allowed to use on SIM because even if it's really really rare situation, there are players who use that kind of service to cheat, once that it allows the server to have all the time he needs to go to the net and it's hard for the returner to win the point on that case.

All said, I think that at least as it is now it's ok. But that it's my opinion. I'm no one to say whatever like this lol

P.S: Those who voted already, beyond matias I would like to know their opinion well stated please. I think everyone would like to know your opinion guys.

[matiasfederer]

Personally I completely disagree for the following reasons:

- Some players on reality, like Sampras for exampled used a lot to risk on the second service. It's a risk that the player is taking but it could make the difference. So on the game, of course that, even if the risk shot after some use is easy to do, it still can be failed while the other services are never failed. So on this situation I think that it's even a bigger risk if we are risking on the second service, if you know what I mean lol. Plus for example on a laggy connection it's much harder to serve with risk so for that reason I think risk still should be used on the second service;

- Second, as I already once said on a post and other players like Sunny and everything agreed with me personally I think that the "normal services" (safe, topspin is not allowed so doesn't count, slice) shouldn't be allowed to use on SIM because even if it's really really rare situation, there are players who use that kind of service to cheat, once that it allows the server to have all the time he needs to go to the net and it's hard for the returner to win the point on that case.

All said, I think that at least as it is now it's ok. But that it's my opinion. I'm no one to say whatever like this lol

P.S: Those who voted already, beyond matias I would like to know their opinion well stated please. I think everyone would like to know your opinion guys.

Well, at first we (at least me) can't say which serve, besides Roddick's one or Karlovic's one, is a risk serve, because the risk is limited by the personal hability (for A.Rod a 190 km/h serve is a little bit risk serve, but that serve for D.Nalbandian is so risk). So, If Sampras served with risk it's relative. And if he did that, I guess he don't do it all points (like us).

second :"there are players who use that kind of service to cheat" what do you mean with that?

To end, the slice serve is the most used serve to go to the net, so if you're a Serve-net player, I think you can use it more than the risk because it don't give you time to go to the net.
And yes, your opinion, like everyone's here, is valid because the ITST is made of all the members (NO ONLY THE PAID ONE, ALL WHO PLAY).


P/s: We can see... perhaps we can serve sometime with risk (when you're winning or 2 times per game, we'll see) and the others with effects.(Slice, safe and top (I think we can allow that serve because a lot of players use that (Federer, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Hewitt, etc)

[SundanceKid]

it allows the server to have all the time he needs to go to the net and it's hard for the returner to win the point on that case.

that's the point indeed. actually i would appreciate more variations on service, but it's too often cheesy game.

if we allow those services, and players aren't able to hit it with 3/4 power at least, other players will complain about cheesy game.
you know that zeropower services aren't allowed. so it's really difficult to find a solution, when service is without power or with enough power.
for myself, even slice service with half power is simply too good for the server. he has all time of the world reaching the net, and does the point very easy and very boring.
if i would imagine.......in the end we will have players, who do 90% slice services outcourt and then we have a very monotonously sim game.

the service power should be red at least, but who is able to control that all the time??

[matiasfederer]

Yes Sunny but SIM is not Simulation..... and we want (at least me) it. Well with the slice serve, you can variate the return, and you can return with a crossed top or a full power slice, we'll see but boring, I don't thing so.

[cristianspin]

Yes Sunny but SIM is not Simulation..... and we want (at least me) it. Well with the slice serve, you can variate the return, and you can return with a crossed top or a full power slice, we'll see but boring, I don't thing so.

I do not agree with this idea


PD: If someone has trouble restoring services at risk believe that the solution is not going to ban at the second service

[FelipeSpin]

Yes Sunny but SIM is not Simulation..... and we want (at least me) it. Well with the slice serve, you can variate the return, and you can return with a crossed top or a full power slice, we'll see but boring, I don't thing so.

I do not like your idea for nothing Matias.

[Q. Reese]

I think that the player should be allowed to use varied serves (whether it is risk or not).

[Ir0kuM4t4]

These services are allowed. That's the subject well and the problem imo. Everyone can use it. Of course that I would like more variation because in reality for example Federer does risk serves with slice and that is very useful. It's one of the small good things Top Spin 2 has better than this one. But it creates bad situations. Now those who use it often when they are losing don't expect to have a good behaviour from your opponent, sorry but that is cheesy. Matias, if you don't understand why it's cheesy play more and ask on purpose to your opponents to use those type of services and then compare how much points do you win when he uses risk and how much do you win when you use safe or slice. A player with a minimum practice of SIM will be almost unbreakable if he uses that.
This is a computer game and as all games it has bugs and errors that don't correspond to reality. This case is one of them, as the forehand spin problem on hard court or grass, the spin problem when using backhand on hard court or grass, or on clay when the return is slice against the body, well and of course there are more but I won't be here saying everything...

[SundanceKid]

....and when using a lob to checkmate your opponent with a slice on smash afterwards. sorry fed, but that is also true and you know it. maybe you've just forgotten this smash bug.


matias: i think we'll get a very boring sim game, if many players often use normal or slice service. after service, reaching the net and do the point very quickly. no rallies anymore. i'm not sure, if that would be the sense of the fun factor.

and who will decides, when it's with enough power and when not??

but if you decide to play one test tnt with these services, i will sign up anyway.

[mcfed]

I do not think it makes much sense because of the reasons already stated above. It's simply cheese.

[Ir0kuM4t4]

As I told you, Sunny, it wasn't my intention. My goal was to lob you and on one situation where I was running on the baseline, to stay on point. Anyway as I said you on GS sooner or later I'll do something to try to fix that situation that maybe in fact I provoked I don't know whatever, but I'll try to fix it. For now I apologize. You'll understand later what I mean with this.

[Chris ITST]

Once i used a kick serve in gamespy against someone and got rollocked at.

[matiasfederer]

With that proposal, I tried to variate the sim game, because I think it isn't a simulation game and if you don't allow the risk shot during the WHOLE MATCH ( I think it s so bad) you shouldn't allow the risk 2nd serve because IT' s really unreal (Cheese, I don t think so). But it's my opinion and because of that you can or not agree with me.
Well, I think it's over, but if someone else wanna post your opinion, it still open.

[SundanceKid]

as fed already said, you can use slice or normal services. it is allowed. but then you have to live with many complaints....maybe.


fed:.......np anymore!