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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby Michael.D » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:07

VMoe86 wrote:
Michael.D wrote:ELIO and VMOE

Please... Min 1:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgBH88ihmDo :roll:

There is a difference between using and abusing a tactic in a tennis video game. There are sometimes shots which are too effective in a videogame, which rarely work that effectively on a real tennis court because executing them is difficult.

Deal with the decision that this drop/lob combination is considered cheesy in 1.0e at ITST -- in Build 93 of TE it will limit itself. ;)



Vmoe,
what about lobs on rallies and return? Elio did that and I think it's equally 'cheesy'

PD: what would be considered 'abusing' ?
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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby eliomelma » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:11

Michael.D wrote:
VMoe86 wrote:
Michael.D wrote:ELIO and VMOE

Please... Min 1:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgBH88ihmDo :roll:

There is a difference between using and abusing a tactic in a tennis video game. There are sometimes shots which are too effective in a videogame, which rarely work that effectively on a real tennis court because executing them is difficult.

Deal with the decision that this drop/lob combination is considered cheesy in 1.0e at ITST -- in Build 93 of TE it will limit itself. ;)



Vmoe,
what about lobs on rallies and return? Elio did that and I think it's equally 'cheesy'

PD: what would be considered 'abusing' ?


Hey friend , i made lobs for error on return because my controller mapping was bad that day, and never made a single point with this.. don't talk about cheesy...
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Postby Algo4 » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:15

hmm...let's see

how many times did each of you use those drop/net/lob and lobs on return/rally tactics?
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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby Michael.D » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:17

eliomelma wrote:
Michael.D wrote:
VMoe86 wrote:
Michael.D wrote:ELIO and VMOE

Please... Min 1:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgBH88ihmDo :roll:

There is a difference between using and abusing a tactic in a tennis video game. There are sometimes shots which are too effective in a videogame, which rarely work that effectively on a real tennis court because executing them is difficult.

Deal with the decision that this drop/lob combination is considered cheesy in 1.0e at ITST -- in Build 93 of TE it will limit itself. ;)



Vmoe,
what about lobs on rallies and return? Elio did that and I think it's equally 'cheesy'

PD: what would be considered 'abusing' ?


Hey friend , i made lobs for error on return because my controller mapping was bad that day, and never made a single point with this.. don't talk about cheesy...


Yes, 'of course'
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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby manutoo » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:29

Michael.D wrote:ELIO and VMOE

Please... Min 1:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgBH88ihmDo :roll:


You should still be able to do that exact sequence in Build 93 : good drop shot, slow response of opponent, and you lobbing from the service line.
What you shouldn't be able to do anymore is : average drop shot, decent ball speed from your opponent, you near the net lobbing without difficulty.
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Postby eliomelma » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:31

Algo4 wrote:hmm...let's see

how many times did each of you use those drop/net/lob and lobs on return/rally tactics?


I don't know this lobs return tactic, i made it for error and never scored single point
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Postby VMoe86 » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:53

Lobs during rallies or on return will be further discussed. Depending on how the keys have been mapped, they can happen by accident. So I would be careful to say someone used this as tactic, when it only happened accidentally.
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Postby spencercarlos » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:01

VMoe86 wrote:Lobs during rallies or on return will be further discussed. Depending on how the keys have been mapped, they can happen by accident. So I would be careful to say someone used this as tactic, when it only happened accidentally.

This does not clarify the use of the shots. And as Manutoo already said the sequence could be still done when the dropshot is great and the oponnent does not hit an acceleration to the volleyer, what the rule will be then? No drops and lobs at all?
The return of serve can't be a lob? is that a rule too. I think claryfying all of this will be helpful to know how to play the game..
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Postby Ugadalou » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:03

Plus if you got good positioning,it shouldn't be a problem to get under the ball and finish the point with an easy smash.Really I don't think accidental lobs can be a problem in this game.
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Postby spencercarlos » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:13

Ugadalou wrote:Plus if you got good positioning,it shouldn't be a problem to get under the ball and finish the point with an easy smash.Really I don't think accidental lobs can be a problem in this game.

That is not really possible in say 90% of teh cases, the moonballs won't not allow you to hit a proper smash when you are back in the baseline.. :(
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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby eliomelma » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:22

Michael.D wrote:
VMoe86 wrote:
Michael.D wrote:ELIO and VMOE

Please... Min 1:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgBH88ihmDo :roll:

There is a difference between using and abusing a tactic in a tennis video game. There are sometimes shots which are too effective in a videogame, which rarely work that effectively on a real tennis court because executing them is difficult.

Deal with the decision that this drop/lob combination is considered cheesy in 1.0e at ITST -- in Build 93 of TE it will limit itself. ;)



Vmoe,
what about lobs on rallies and return? Elio did that and I think it's equally 'cheesy'

PD: what would be considered 'abusing' ?


I can not believe that he accuses me after played a match as he wanted and during a match i never told him nothing about his not correct tactic!
only time on 7-6 6-4 4-3 i entered in chat and told him: funny?i quit because don't like your return tips and your drops/lobs. And him what said to me? not something as : What tips, drops, not correct tactic! But only: please don't quit and finish the match. Because he knew perfectly his cheesy tactics and my silence since that moment seems that i didn't know some tips....
So him accused me! puah. Ridiculous!
P.s. Michael if i would win that match, i didn't try to use lobs on returns, but simply after 4 points i quit tha match and talk about your "tactics" to hosts and at least they told you to limit your drops/lobs. you should understand one thing: MANAGAMES PLAYERS SHOULD PLAY WITH OUR REALISTIC AND FAIRPLAY RULES, NOT IMPORT CHEESY TIPS AND TACTICS IN OUR TOUR AND CHANGE OUR RULES.
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Postby Algo4 » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:38

I think 'cheesy' is too 'open' as a rule and could basically be anything.
There should be a strict and public list of limited/banned tactics so these kind of problems won't happen.
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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby Elias » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:40

eliomelma wrote: you should understand one thing: MANAGAMES PLAYERS SHOULD PLAY WITH OUR REALISTIC AND FAIRPLAY RULES, NOT IMPORT CHEESY TIPS AND TACTICS IN OUR TOUR AND CHANGE OUR RULES.


I'm backing up Elio point.

Cheese doesn't import very well, sensitive goods like this usually suffer from too much fermentation in the process :P

btw i like the smell of blood in this thread :lol:

damn, where is my ban stick.. :twisted:

Algo4 wrote:I think 'cheesy' is too 'open' as a rule and could basically be anything.
There should be a strict and public list of limited/banned tactics so these kind of problems won't happen.


Also true, though i think we all (?) can understand the difference between using and abusing, here.
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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby spencercarlos » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:17

Elias wrote:
eliomelma wrote: you should understand one thing: MANAGAMES PLAYERS SHOULD PLAY WITH OUR REALISTIC AND FAIRPLAY RULES, NOT IMPORT CHEESY TIPS AND TACTICS IN OUR TOUR AND CHANGE OUR RULES.


I'm backing up Elio point.

Cheese doesn't import very well, sensitive goods like this usually suffer from too much fermentation in the process :P

btw i like the smell of blood in this thread :lol:

damn, where is my ban stick.. :twisted:

Algo4 wrote:I think 'cheesy' is too 'open' as a rule and could basically be anything.
There should be a strict and public list of limited/banned tactics so these kind of problems won't happen.


Also true, though i think we all (?) can understand the difference between using and abusing, here.

There is no such thing as using and abusing when it comes to a tennis match, you either have your tactics to play and you use them as you like.

For sure if there was a breach in the game with that kind of tactic, it should all be corrected now with Manutoo and his last update.

But going back to the use and abuse part, your oponnent wont be playing the game so you can be in a confort zone, and you should do the same, that's where the strategy, and skill comes into play in the game. There is not such thing as an ABUSE strategy if its working for you.

For example i will make a lot of dropshots, if all you are doing is being way behind the baseline returning all of my groundstrokes all the time, and neither kind of play by you or me is cheating or chessy. It will be up to you (or anybody) to change strategy so what its not working for you somehow starts to work.

Same that if you are at the net i will try to pass you with either a lob or a passing shot, but neither kind of play is a cheat.

And neither will be that play after Manutoo's update as he said, that could be done, but it can also be neutralized with an acceleration.. (will be once ITST updates)
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Re: TE new tips,correct playstyle?What way Te is taking?

Postby spencercarlos » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:29

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eliomelma wrote:
Michael.D wrote:
VMoe86 wrote:
Michael.D wrote:ELIO and VMOE

Please... Min 1:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgBH88ihmDo :roll:

There is a difference between using and abusing a tactic in a tennis video game. There are sometimes shots which are too effective in a videogame, which rarely work that effectively on a real tennis court because executing them is difficult.

Deal with the decision that this drop/lob combination is considered cheesy in 1.0e at ITST -- in Build 93 of TE it will limit itself. ;)



Vmoe,
what about lobs on rallies and return? Elio did that and I think it's equally 'cheesy'

PD: what would be considered 'abusing' ?


I can not believe that he accuses me after played a match as he wanted and during a match i never told him nothing about his not correct tactic!
only time on 7-6 6-4 4-3 i entered in chat and told him: funny?i quit because don't like your return tips and your drops/lobs. And him what said to me? not something as : What tips, drops, not correct tactic! But only: please don't quit and finish the match. Because he knew perfectly his cheesy tactics and my silence since that moment seems that i didn't know some tips....
So him accused me! puah. Ridiculous!
P.s. Michael if i would win that match, i didn't try to use lobs on returns, but simply after 4 points i quit tha match and talk about your "tactics" to hosts and at least they told you to limit your drops/lobs. you should understand one thing: MANAGAMES PLAYERS SHOULD PLAY WITH OUR REALISTIC AND FAIRPLAY RULES, NOT IMPORT CHEESY TIPS AND TACTICS IN OUR TOUR AND CHANGE OUR RULES.
Michael aka Victoria Azarenka have been ban one time and there are a lot of complaints about his guessing in Managames Tour.

If you did not know aparrently Manutoo latest updates (months ago) to the games were done to erase guessers from the game.

Yet again there are complains about servers, and volleyers in the game as well for many other players.

But the main point here should be to have an especific set of rules about the game play so everybody can be clear.
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