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Postby Moralspain » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:30

Rafael Nadal believes previous tennis eras cannot match the excitement generated by the current stars of the sport and dismisses the idea that slower courts have allowed him to triumph at Wimbledon.

Nadal, the defending champion, is looking to extend his 16-match unbeaten run on the grass here as he faces wild card Gilles Muller, of Luxembourg, in the third round today.

Retaining his crown will take him to 11 Grand Slam titles at a time when Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray are also illuminating the sport with their skills.

The Spaniard's view on the type of tennis that allowed Pete Sampras to win seven Wimbledon titles will spark a lengthy debate. He said: "Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.

"It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve.

"I started playing at Wimbledon in 2002 and since then the court has been exactly the same. Before then, I can't make a comment. But to say it has been getting slower since then is wrong.

"Before my time, perhaps the conditions were faster. But, for me, the difference now is that the best players in the world will strike the ball past you if you go to the net. If people see a player practising serve-and-volley tactics, they say it is fast and if they see baseline play, they think it is slow.

"The truth is that now the players are so good that if it is a fast court, then when you serve and go to the net the ball flies past you even quicker."

Mats Wilander, the seven-time Grand Slam champion, played in the era of Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors and mounts a strong defence of that period of the game, although he admits the current men's competition has greater strength in depth.


"If you go down to the 100th-ranked player, we weren't as deep as they are today," said Wilander. "But the first seven or eight guys were at the same level and produced great rivalries. Looking back, it was really special."

Nadal, who normally steers clear of controversy, has also dismissed the notion that one of the top men's players could be ruled out for as long as Serena Williams has been this year and then come back with a real chance of winning Wimbledon.

Williams is defending her title having only returned to action this month following a life-threatening blood clot in her lungs and a serious foot injury.

Nadal added: "It would never happen. Look at Juan Martin del Potro, he won the US Open and was one of the best players in the world. He has missed a season through injury and he is not considered one of the favourites. But the men's game is a different world."

However, the 25-year-old's only focus today will be on accounting for Muller, who is tied 1-1 in career matches with the Spaniard. But that statistic is misleading as both matches were in 2005, although Muller can take some comfort from the fact his win came in the second round of Wimbledon.

Since that defeat, Nadal has won the title twice while Muller, the world No92, has failed to live up to his early promise and now mostly plays on the second-tier Challenger Tour.





I guess many of you disagree with the comment about Sampras and Ivanisevic, some because always disagree with anything that comes out Rafa's mouth and others because they do think Sampras's era was better.
In my opinion, Sampras and Agassi were great, and they'd be number 1, 2 or 3 nowadays, that simple
The comment about Sampras and Ivanisevic matches...well i agree with him, because it's the way we feel tennis in Spain, that's all, just an opinion.
I couldn't watch a full match between Ivanisevic and Krajicek at Wimbledon!! either, not worse matches than today, just different, and boring from most of clay court players.
I said this before, when i started playing tennis a lot, you know..with coaches and all that stuff, the serve was the less important aspect of the game. If we trained for 2 hours, we served for 15 minutes.
So when i'm watching tennis i don't like a serve fest, that's all, i guess Nadal thinks the same way. If you ask people from North of Europe, USA , Australia, well... there the tradition is different, so logically they, most of you guys, love the serving game, great as well.

That being said i loved Rafter and Edberg styles, because their matches were fun, they served and volley, but they were not looking for aces and aces, but for reaching the net in good conditions and hit a good volley, there's a difference between them and Ivanisevic for example.

You know it's been 2-3 days without arguments on the forum, i miss them, so go ahead. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Moralspain » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:39

come on Rob, waiting for you my friend?...boring Sampras?? :roll:
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Postby fedfan » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:53

I think when the grass is not looking much quicker than the French that is a problem, although probably more linked to the balls than the surface.

The thing that annoys me about this view as that it implys that of you have a big serve and are rewarded for it then it's not real tennis. It's a shot like all the others and if you master it you should get an advantage from it.

Sure you can look back at boring matches from the past but you could pick out plenty of boring wars of attrition from more recent matches aswell.

Not to mention the advantages modern players get from technology! Grass should be quicker than the other surfaces and favour high risk tennis IMO
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Postby Vieira151 » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:27

Personally I think whoever has a forehand like the guy in my sig is the least boring player to watch. Everybody else pales in comparison...
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Postby maximo » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:43

fedfan wrote:I think when the grass is not looking much quicker than the French that is a problem, although probably more linked to the balls than the surface.

The thing that annoys me about this view as that it implys that of you have a big serve and are rewarded for it then it's not real tennis. It's a shot like all the others and if you master it you should get an advantage from it.

Sure you can look back at boring matches from the past but you could pick out plenty of boring wars of attrition from more recent matches aswell.

Not to mention the advantages modern players get from technology! Grass should be quicker than the other surfaces and favour high risk tennis IMO

Totally agree, and i am from Spain, all the people here don´t feel tennis like Moralspain says, I feel that the essence of playing on grass is losed when i see Nadal hitting top spin fh to Federer´s bh.
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Postby Moralspain » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:47

Do you guys think that when Bjorg won 5 Wimbledons ( 5 no?) the court wad quicker?, just asking because i have no idea, Bjorg played from the baseline like most of players nowadays, maybe it wasn't that quick in the past and it's not that slow now
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Postby Rob ITST » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:51

Sampras boring? IMO, there' nothing boring about hitting a second serve ace, on break point, in the fifth set of the Wimbledon final. Nothing boring about hitting drop volley winners off your shoe strings, and nothing boring about running forehand passing shot winners.

But really, I have to agree with Nadal to a point. The game is more fun to watch most of the time - A serve fest can be pretty boring to watch. But it would be even better if there were some Sampras-like players around - the game could benefit from more contrast in styles rather than everyone playing basically the same game.

BTW: Do you know why Nadal, Edberg, and Rafter never hit as many aces as Sampras and Ivanisevic? Because they can't. :P
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Postby Rob ITST » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:53

Moralspain wrote:Do you guys think that when Bjorg won 5 Wimbledons ( 5 no?) the court wad quicker?, just asking because i have no idea, Bjorg played from the baseline like most of players nowadays, maybe it wasn't that quick in the past and it's not that slow now


Borg did a lot of S&V on the grass. Not a lot for his day, but a lot for him.
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Postby fedfan » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:57

Waht about the bounce as well, the courts are a lot firmer now, the bounce is lower but not as low as in years gone by so topspin has more effect and volleys are more likely to sit up.
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Postby maximo » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:57

I had forgotten that you are a Nadal fan, there is no sense discuss about Nadal´s tittles or gamestyle. :yikes
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Postby Moralspain » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:59

Rob ITST wrote:Sampras boring? IMO, there' nothing boring about hitting a second serve ace, on break point, in the fifth set of the Wimbledon final. Nothing boring about hitting drop volley winners off your shoe strings, and nothing boring about running forehand passing shot winners.

But really, I have to agree with Nadal to a point. The game is more fun to watch most of the time - A serve fest can be pretty boring to watch. But it would be even better if there were some Sampras-like players around - the game could benefit from more contrast in styles rather than everyone playing basically the same game.

BTW: Do you know why Nadal, Edberg, and Rafter never hit as many aces as Sampras and Ivanisevic? Because they can't. :P


to me Sampras was not boring at all, but Ivanisevic was another story, as a spectator i found his matches boring
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Postby Moralspain » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:00

maximo wrote:I had forgotten that you are a Nadal fan, there is no sense discuss about Nadal´s tittles or gamestyle. :yikes


haha and you're not, from all the comments your always post here he's clearly not your favorite, fair enough man
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Postby Moralspain » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:01

but the guys serve faster now than in the past, no??, i mean maybe the guys return better now, i'd love to see Ivanisevic serving against Ferrer, Djokovic
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Postby fedfan » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:04

Moralspain wrote:but the guys serve faster now than in the past, no??, i mean maybe the guys return better now, i'd love to see Ivanisevic serving against Ferrer, Djokovic


If a serve is coming down at 130mph and hitting the spots consistently you shouldn't get your hands on too many returns unless you have very good hands and great anticipation. That is why Federer has been able to return massive servers very well in his career.
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Postby Moralspain » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:05

fedfan wrote:Waht about the bounce as well, the courts are a lot firmer now, the bounce is lower but not as low as in years gone by so topspin has more effect and volleys are more likely to sit up.


i agree 100%, i think that 1st matches the bounce is low but as days go by, the court gets worse and it's like playing on hard corurt
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