Moralspain wrote:
btw let me point something out, Nadal doesn't win RG year after year because the speed of the court he wins there because he is a specialist on clay, which has nothing to do with the speed.
Agree. I would never say something contrary. He won 7 times because he s simply the greatest clay couter ever.
He has won the US Open, 2 Wimbledons and 1 Australian Open as well (plus the 7 RGs), people tend to forget that.
Not forget he won 1 US and 1 AUS, but also not forget the changing conditions played in his cards. That blue plastic in Melbourne is slower or let s say the ball bounced higher then the green rebound-ace in the past.
Would he win it once on rebound-ace? Maybe...but maybe not.
The US Open were a very fast beton, listed by the ATP as "fast hard". Since 2005 it has become some deco turf, lited by the ATP as "medium fast", which also plays in his cards.
but don't forget that Federer also has won many of his titles on this "slower" surface. (2 of them against Rafa in 2006 and 2007)
Federer s wins are the most different if you compare them to Agassi or Nadal. He won:
AUS Open: 3 times on rebound-ace, 1 time on blue plastic
Wimbledon: 2 times (2003/2004 playing just S&V) on flat bouncing grass, 4 times on high bouncing grass.
US Open: 1 time on fast beton (2004), 4 times on medium fast.
The point is this: What you think would Fed do to Rafa and Nole on a grass court 15 years back (in the era of Sampras)? I guess he would beat both of them in 3 or 4 sets, any time. The way like Rafa beats him on 3 or 4 in RG any time.
If the conditions (ball bouncing and court speed) would be as different as 15 years ago, Fed would be almost unstoppable in Wimbledon (just Sampras was better there) and also VERY hard to beat in NY, while Rafa would as today unstopable in RG, and Melbourne rebound-ace would be a close thing between Fed, Rafa and Nole.
I am not a Federer or Sampras "Fan", but i am a fan of Tennis like it was, 4 different Grand Slams, 4 different court speeds (+ different bouncing).
Today it s a 1 motoric bom bom on any surface...maybe one exception at the Indoor Master end of the year (maybe a reason why Nole and Rafa never beat Fed there to this day).
Put it this way, scale 1-10 in terms of speed:
15 years ago:
AUS Open: 6
Roland Garros: 3
Wimbledon: 10
US Open: 8
today:
AUS Open: 5
RG: 4
WimbledoN: 6
US Open: 7
Just for the illustration.