Barclays ATP World Tour Finals

by **NARCOSIS2009** » Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:36

Hmmmm I'll take the plunge and predict it to be Nadal vs Federer in the final - Federer winning in 3 close sets..

But saying that Djokovic does seem to have the "i'll play and become like the number 1 player in the world when the going gets tough" attitude, thats why hes been so good this year.

by **Moralspain** » Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:46

Oh God, Rafael ALWAYS plays reeeaally bad in november/december, i know this is not his best surface, but come on!! (although he has won 1000 tournaments and 2 GS'), if you are not ready or too tired to play during these months just stay at home, for me it's really sad to see him playing this way.
He lost in the tie-break against Tsonga the 1st set, and ... how did he get to win 6 games?, just because he's probably the most competitive player on the face of the earth.

well, at least i have fun watching Berdych and Ferrer matches

by **Ali-Iqb93** » Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:11

It's probably because nadal spends too much energy in each and every match sooo he must be exhausted by the end of the year.. On the other hand federer always keeps his game balanced and at the same level throughout the year

by **Moralspain** » Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:20

yep different styles.

Rafa won the 2nd, but i don't change my opinion about the match, Tsonga played better tennis, but Nadal has more experience and as we all know is mentally stronger.
Tsonga has always ups and downs during his matches, otherwise he would be the number 2 in the world and Nadal the 6.

Don't get why Rafa doesn't hit flat forehands, he can do that, not the first time he adapts his game when he has to play on hard court or grass, but he's playing the tournament same way he does when he plays on clay.

I've seen him many times hitting with Marc Lopez in Manacor, and his forehands are perfect, don't know why he doesn't use that flat shot more often, well i guess i'm being a bit critical cause he is one of the best players of the history, and his forehands have made him win many matches
check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82B7A2u1pF4&feature=related

by **NARCOSIS2009** » Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:41

Moralspain wrote:yep different styles.

Rafa won the 2nd, but i don't change my opinion about the match, Tsonga played better tennis, but Nadal has more experience and as we all know is mentally stronger.
Tsonga has always ups and downs during his matches, otherwise he would be the number 2 in the world and Nadal the 6.

Don't get why Rafa doesn't hit flat forehands, he can do that, not the first time he adapts his game when he has to play on hard court or grass, but he's playing the tournament same way he does when he plays on clay.

I've seen him many times hitting with Marc Lopez in Manacor, and his forehands are perfect, don't know why he doesn't use that flat shot more often, well i guess i'm being a bit critical cause he is one of the best players of the history, and his forehands have made him win many matches
check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82B7A2u1pF4&feature=related

The reason he doesnt hit flat so often is because he'd lose his consistency and not only that, also his rhythm, one of the reasons he is such a great player is because he uses his spin to get back into position when defending and also to construct the point, if he was to hit flatter he'd take away the construction of the points and also not give himself enough time to get back in points. Plus flatter = easier for opponents to attack = less time when defending.

by **Moralspain** » Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:03

Yeah you're right, my point is that sometimes on hard courts he could use more flat shots, not saying he has to change his style, that would be stupid after watching all he got playing with his super top spin FH

Tsonga wins, played great, love his attacking style , well done, and about Rafa well i guess it's been a good season, next year will see if he can compite at his best against Nole....and Fed i guess

by **VMoe86** » Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:18

Nadal can flatten out his forehand, as he showed quite a few times: His Wimbledon wins, Olympic Gold Medal, US Open 2010, even last years World Tour Finals. It really depends on Nadal's match practice and his confidence: In both his Wimbledon wins (and all those years in which he reached the final) he won the French Open and was on high confidence. Same goes for the Olympic Gold Medal in Tennis or that US Open 2010 run.

Whenever Nadal lacks confidence or didn't have enough matches under his belt, he resorts to playing too far behind the baseline and his shots are too short.

Tsonga deservedly won, the drop volleys reminded of that AO 2008 semi final.

by **Moralspain** » Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:03

VMoe86 wrote:Tsonga deservedly won, the drop volleys reminded of that AO 2008 semi final.

absolutely

by **VMoe86** » Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:28

Didn't expect Tipsarevic to beat Djokovic, so I was wrong about that guaranteed second win for Djokovic. :lol:

This made the match between Berdych and Ferrer more interesting: If Berdych wins (doesn't matter in straight sets or going the distance) he'll be first in the group and he'd play against Tsonga in the semi final, whereas Ferrer would be second in the group. So Ferrer can only avoid Federer in the semi final (and I'm sure he wants to avoid him, 0-11 head to head) if he wins against Berdych - then Djokovic is through to the semi final because he won against Berdych.

by **NARCOSIS2009** » Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:30

Djokovic loses against Tipsarevic, he needs Ferrer to beat berdych can be in 2 or 3 sets, doesnt matter and then Djokovic gets through, strangely enough Ferrer has a 5-2 head to head over Berdych. And the prospect of another Fed Vs Djoko semi is too good

, even tho i think by how feds playing and how badly djoko is playing, it will be an easy win...

Isnt it ironic? Djokovic lasted the whole year with 3 losses... now he might end the season on 3 straight losses :lol:

by **C4iLL** » Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:19

C4iLL wrote:Federer - Tsonga will pass through the group B, and the other Berdych Djokovic.

Tsonga will beat Berdych, and then Fed in final.

I was pretty right until now

by **Saarbrigga** » Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:11

Federer owns Ferrer in straight sets.

by **Moralspain** » Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:47

SchwingerMongo wrote:Federer owns Ferrer in straight sets.

watched the match, to be honest Fed did nothing special, well actually he played his worst match this week, but got the key points, i think he will have big trouble to beat Berdych in the final, if the Czech beats Tsonga tonight of course.
BTW with this victory Federer will end the year as number 3

by **VMoe86** » Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:56

I think Federer knows he has to play better in the final and I reckon he does not want to lose to either Tsonga or Berdych in a big match again. Therefore I believe he will win his sixth (and thus record-breaking) title at the Year End Championships, no matter who his opponent is going to be.

by **NARCOSIS2009** » Sat, 26 Nov 2011 20:24

Rogers 100th career final coming up.... O.o and if he wins he will have 6 end of years masters titles. More than anyone else... another record for him.... You got to give it to him.... still going after all he has achieved... :shock:

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