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Postby Julius Jackson » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:55

Chederer wrote:what i was trying to tell julius is tennis takes mental strength, quick decisions, and consistency...yes being athletic can help a lot, but mentality will win you more matches in the ATP than being able to jump 4 feet off the ground; julius jackson is trying to imply something i dont want to say...but i can compare a tennis player to an NFL quarterback...you have to make quick decisions and that is why Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Michael Vick---Vick is fast as lightning and very athletic; i think i could run faster than Peyton Manning; he is one of the most unathletic people in sports; but because of his quick thinking and the reads he can make he is a champion---


i totally agree and i totally disagree at the same time.

tennis is extremely dependent on mental strength, no doubt. its the foundation of almost every players gm. agassi would be a great example of the power mental strength holds for a player.

however, mental strength can be learned by ANYONE (which is also proved by agassi). theres no genetic disposition altogether limiting someones ability to be mentally strong -- its simply learned by experience/training.

the williams sisters are not particularly mentally strong. they lose if they cant dominate. but yet they steamrolled the womens game for half a decade simply because they were that much better than everyone. did they play a smarter gm? nope, they just used their vastly superior athleticism to destroy people. they didnt have money growing up; their father basically forced them to use their athleticism from a young age. how often does this happen to lower class potential players? 1 in a million MAYBE gets a chance. if you dont train from an early age you have essentially no chance of going far in tennis.

the mens gm hasnt had that happen...yet. but if someone with superior athleticism in the mold of wade or lebron came along and was trained like the williams sisters he would wreck the mens tour and dominate until he lost interest (like the williams did) or got injured (like the williams did).
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Postby fedfan » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:03

The Williams sisters not mentally stronger, I'm not sure I agree with Serena inparticular. She can force her personality onto a match, make you feel threatened and that she can destroy you as and when they choose.

A lot of the time it's more a bluff but how many times has Serena snatched back matches she should have lost. She believes emphatically in herself and that if she finds her game she is unbeatable, that even if she is missing serves when she really needs it she will be able to find it.
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Postby Chederer » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:14

Julius Jackson wrote:
Chederer wrote:what i was trying to tell julius is tennis takes mental strength, quick decisions, and consistency...yes being athletic can help a lot, but mentality will win you more matches in the ATP than being able to jump 4 feet off the ground; julius jackson is trying to imply something i dont want to say...but i can compare a tennis player to an NFL quarterback...you have to make quick decisions and that is why Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Michael Vick---Vick is fast as lightning and very athletic; i think i could run faster than Peyton Manning; he is one of the most unathletic people in sports; but because of his quick thinking and the reads he can make he is a champion---


i totally agree and i totally disagree at the same time.

tennis is extremely dependent on mental strength, no doubt. its the foundation of almost every players gm. agassi would be a great example of the power mental strength holds for a player.

however, mental strength can be learned by ANYONE (which is also proved by agassi). theres no genetic disposition altogether limiting someones ability to be mentally strong -- its simply learned by experience/training.

the williams sisters are not particularly mentally strong. they lose if they cant dominate. but yet they steamrolled the womens game for half a decade simply because they were that much better than everyone. did they play a smarter gm? nope, they just used their vastly superior athleticism to destroy people. they didnt have money growing up; their father basically forced them to use their athleticism from a young age. how often does this happen to lower class potential players? 1 in a million MAYBE gets a chance. if you dont train from an early age you have essentially no chance of going far in tennis.

the mens gm hasnt had that happen...yet. but if someone with superior athleticism in the mold of wade or lebron came along and was trained like the williams sisters he would wreck the mens tour and dominate until he lost interest (like the williams did) or got injured (like the williams did).


so why hasnt anyone with "superior athleticism" in the mold of wade or lebron dominated the NFL quarterback position?
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Postby Julius Jackson » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:21

Chederer wrote:
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Chederer wrote:what i was trying to tell julius is tennis takes mental strength, quick decisions, and consistency...yes being athletic can help a lot, but mentality will win you more matches in the ATP than being able to jump 4 feet off the ground; julius jackson is trying to imply something i dont want to say...but i can compare a tennis player to an NFL quarterback...you have to make quick decisions and that is why Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Michael Vick---Vick is fast as lightning and very athletic; i think i could run faster than Peyton Manning; he is one of the most unathletic people in sports; but because of his quick thinking and the reads he can make he is a champion---


i totally agree and i totally disagree at the same time.

tennis is extremely dependent on mental strength, no doubt. its the foundation of almost every players gm. agassi would be a great example of the power mental strength holds for a player.

however, mental strength can be learned by ANYONE (which is also proved by agassi). theres no genetic disposition altogether limiting someones ability to be mentally strong -- its simply learned by experience/training.

the williams sisters are not particularly mentally strong. they lose if they cant dominate. but yet they steamrolled the womens game for half a decade simply because they were that much better than everyone. did they play a smarter gm? nope, they just used their vastly superior athleticism to destroy people. they didnt have money growing up; their father basically forced them to use their athleticism from a young age. how often does this happen to lower class potential players? 1 in a million MAYBE gets a chance. if you dont train from an early age you have essentially no chance of going far in tennis.

the mens gm hasnt had that happen...yet. but if someone with superior athleticism in the mold of wade or lebron came along and was trained like the williams sisters he would wreck the mens tour and dominate until he lost interest (like the williams did) or got injured (like the williams did).


so why hasnt anyone with "superior athleticism" in the mold of wade or lebron dominated the NFL quarterback position?


because like tennis players, QBs arent made in the hood, theyre made by fathers who are coaches or by lifelong mentors. as much as i dislike the guy and hate to admit it (LOL), vick did dominate last season. he admitted he had never watched film before a gm prior to last season :lol: so obviously he was getting by on his athleticism alone, which seemed to work out alright for him. but if vick were to dedicate himself to becoming a smart QB, not some savant like peyton, but just above avg, he would be unstoppable. but i highly doubt vick has the mental fortitude to get there :roll:
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Postby Elargento » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:23

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fedfan wrote:I think when the grass is not looking much quicker than the French that is a problem, although probably more linked to the balls than the surface.

The thing that annoys me about this view as that it implys that of you have a big serve and are rewarded for it then it's not real tennis. It's a shot like all the others and if you master it you should get an advantage from it.

Sure you can look back at boring matches from the past but you could pick out plenty of boring wars of attrition from more recent matches aswell.

Not to mention the advantages modern players get from technology! Grass should be quicker than the other surfaces and favour high risk tennis IMO

Totally agree, and i am from Spain, all the people here don´t feel tennis like Moralspain says, I feel that the essence of playing on grass is losed when i see Nadal hitting top spin fh to Federer´s bh.


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Postby Chederer » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:29

Julius Jackson wrote:
Chederer wrote:
Julius Jackson wrote:
Chederer wrote:what i was trying to tell julius is tennis takes mental strength, quick decisions, and consistency...yes being athletic can help a lot, but mentality will win you more matches in the ATP than being able to jump 4 feet off the ground; julius jackson is trying to imply something i dont want to say...but i can compare a tennis player to an NFL quarterback...you have to make quick decisions and that is why Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Michael Vick---Vick is fast as lightning and very athletic; i think i could run faster than Peyton Manning; he is one of the most unathletic people in sports; but because of his quick thinking and the reads he can make he is a champion---


i totally agree and i totally disagree at the same time.

tennis is extremely dependent on mental strength, no doubt. its the foundation of almost every players gm. agassi would be a great example of the power mental strength holds for a player.

however, mental strength can be learned by ANYONE (which is also proved by agassi). theres no genetic disposition altogether limiting someones ability to be mentally strong -- its simply learned by experience/training.

the williams sisters are not particularly mentally strong. they lose if they cant dominate. but yet they steamrolled the womens game for half a decade simply because they were that much better than everyone. did they play a smarter gm? nope, they just used their vastly superior athleticism to destroy people. they didnt have money growing up; their father basically forced them to use their athleticism from a young age. how often does this happen to lower class potential players? 1 in a million MAYBE gets a chance. if you dont train from an early age you have essentially no chance of going far in tennis.

the mens gm hasnt had that happen...yet. but if someone with superior athleticism in the mold of wade or lebron came along and was trained like the williams sisters he would wreck the mens tour and dominate until he lost interest (like the williams did) or got injured (like the williams did).


so why hasnt anyone with "superior athleticism" in the mold of wade or lebron dominated the NFL quarterback position?


because like tennis players, QBs arent made in the hood, theyre made by fathers who are coaches or by lifelong mentors. as much as i dislike the guy and hate to admit it (LOL), vick did dominate last season. he admitted he had never watched film before a gm prior to last season :lol: so obviously he was getting by on his athleticism alone, which seemed to work out alright for him. but if vick were to dedicate himself to becoming a smart QB, not some savant like peyton, but just above avg, he would be unstoppable. but i highly doubt vick has the mental fortitude to get there :roll:


well...i guess we could both keep beating around the bush here...im almost certain you are trying to say that black athletes are superior to all other athletes. im not really sure i like that or agree with that statement
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Postby Coolhand Texas » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:10

im with ched, thats what i got from that and i dont agree with it
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Postby Vieira151 » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:11

Hmmm. I take it he is forgetting about Nadal. He has superior mental strength AND athletic ability to everyone on the men's tour(with the exception of Djokovic's athleticism).

I don't agree with him saying black athlete's are superior to all other athletes. What I will say as that you can see different athletic traits in black, white and asian people but I'd rather not go into that as there are no real stats to back me, rather just observations.
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Postby jayl0ve » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:28

I've heard that black people naturally have longer hamstrings, which aids in jumping/running...
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Postby Julius Jackson » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:29

Vieira151 wrote:Hmmm. I take it he is forgetting about Nadal. He has superior mental strength AND athletic ability to everyone on the men's tour(with the exception of Djokovic's athleticism).

I don't agree with him saying black athlete's are superior to all other athletes. What I will say as that you can see different athletic traits in black, white and asian people but I'd rather not go into that as there are no real stats to back me, rather just observations.


ya nadal is pretty close to what im talking about. give him a couple inches and a 140 mph serve and there ya go.

everyone came from africa thousands of yrs ago...so were all the same in a way. but there are some distinct muscular/physique differences that some races from certain backgrounds enjoy. lets just say theres a reason no white guys win the 100 meter dash :lol:
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Postby Chederer » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:53

because running straight forward requires a lot of mental capacity :lol: but the second you give a black guy a baton in a relay race he drops it...probably shouldnt of said that ill take it back if someone is offended
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Postby jayl0ve » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:23

.....HAHAHAHAHA
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Postby supinesmokey13 » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:46

Chederer wrote:
Julius Jackson wrote:
Chederer wrote:
Julius Jackson wrote:
Chederer wrote:what i was trying to tell julius is tennis takes mental strength, quick decisions, and consistency...yes being athletic can help a lot, but mentality will win you more matches in the ATP than being able to jump 4 feet off the ground; julius jackson is trying to imply something i dont want to say...but i can compare a tennis player to an NFL quarterback...you have to make quick decisions and that is why Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Michael Vick---Vick is fast as lightning and very athletic; i think i could run faster than Peyton Manning; he is one of the most unathletic people in sports; but because of his quick thinking and the reads he can make he is a champion---


i totally agree and i totally disagree at the same time.

tennis is extremely dependent on mental strength, no doubt. its the foundation of almost every players gm. agassi would be a great example of the power mental strength holds for a player.

however, mental strength can be learned by ANYONE (which is also proved by agassi). theres no genetic disposition altogether limiting someones ability to be mentally strong -- its simply learned by experience/training.

the williams sisters are not particularly mentally strong. they lose if they cant dominate. but yet they steamrolled the womens game for half a decade simply because they were that much better than everyone. did they play a smarter gm? nope, they just used their vastly superior athleticism to destroy people. they didnt have money growing up; their father basically forced them to use their athleticism from a young age. how often does this happen to lower class potential players? 1 in a million MAYBE gets a chance. if you dont train from an early age you have essentially no chance of going far in tennis.

the mens gm hasnt had that happen...yet. but if someone with superior athleticism in the mold of wade or lebron came along and was trained like the williams sisters he would wreck the mens tour and dominate until he lost interest (like the williams did) or got injured (like the williams did).


so why hasnt anyone with "superior athleticism" in the mold of wade or lebron dominated the NFL quarterback position?


because like tennis players, QBs arent made in the hood, theyre made by fathers who are coaches or by lifelong mentors. as much as i dislike the guy and hate to admit it (LOL), vick did dominate last season. he admitted he had never watched film before a gm prior to last season :lol: so obviously he was getting by on his athleticism alone, which seemed to work out alright for him. but if vick were to dedicate himself to becoming a smart QB, not some savant like peyton, but just above avg, he would be unstoppable. but i highly doubt vick has the mental fortitude to get there :roll:


well...i guess we could both keep beating around the bush here...im almost certain you are trying to say that black athletes are superior to all other athletes. im not really sure i like that or agree with that statement


I wouldnt say black are completely better athletes they just excel in certain sports more like athletics particularly sprinting, basketball and up until recently boxing. Tennis has been so so. James Blake in his pomp a gifted athlete. Tsonga, monfils,
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Postby jayl0ve » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:53

One thing's for certain, I'm pretty sure black athletes are never gonna take over ice hockey.
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Postby Bowler2151 » Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:46

More athleticism may give someone a slight advantage but that doesnt always translate to wins. It took about one full season to figure out Vick and any team with an average defense at best could shut him down for the most part. So he had to learn to actually be able to read defenses and become a better passer. Plus he gets hurt all the time.

The Miami Heat struggled at first because they had all these athletic freaks but they didnt know to play with each other so they struggled for a while. Then when they got to the finals they played a team that can shoot really well and the Miami Heat for the most part espically Leborn cant shoot that well. Miami most relied on there athleticism and it ended up costing them. Pure athleticism doesnt always translate to winning.
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