Cincy...

[Florian]

Only Youzhny can do.

[Vieira151]

It's disrespectful to the opponent. If he was already losing, at least put in another 10 mins. So yes, I guess it would have been preferable to let aces fly past the last couple games.

Why is it disrespectful? What makes it disrespectful?

I think it does matter how big of a match it is. Like emate said it's disrespectful, and particularly so because now Melzer owns a title that he wasn't even allowed to 'win'. Kind of anti-climactic for all the fans who paid money to watch it, too.

Melzer was winning by the time he retired. He has already won 11 titles. I don't think it would have been that big a deal. Sure, he may be disappointed his opponent wasn't able to continue, but he'd understand. He would know Monfils wouldn't want to aggravate the injury prior to the USO.

Also, fyi - Jimmy Connors retired in a final once, in Queens before Wimbledon.

[emate007]

When a guy is losing and KNOWS he's going to lose, it's a total dick move to quit.
Winning the final point is what makes tennis and other racket sports so good. You're never out of it unless you give up.

[Murderface84]

IF HE DIES, HE DIES.

[Vieira151]

When a guy is losing and KNOWS he's going to lose, it's a total dick move to quit.
Winning the final point is what makes tennis and other racket sports so good. You're never out of it unless you give up.

But he only knows he is going to lose because he knows he is injured. I'd retire if I felt I had picked up an injury serious enough to keep me out of the game for a while. Would you rather continue playing just to allow the other guy to win properly but at the same time risk aggravating a potentially serious injury?

It doesn't matter if you know you are going to lose. You don't care when you are injured. You try to see if it is possible to play through the injury for a few games, and if not, you retire. I don't see the problem. Sure, there have been a few cases where it looks as if players have feigned injury and quit, but Monfils has a fantastic track record of being injured all the goddamn time, so it isn't unreasonable to believe he could be again.

Plus, the score was 2-1 in the 2nd set, so it's not really fair to say that it was clear he was going to lose. Monfils quit in a final before after losing the first set but being ahead in the 2nd. I don't think he quit because he was going to lose.

IF HE DIES, HE DIES.

As a viewer I would prefer if he stayed alive so I could watch him play another match.

[Corbon]

Lol...

If he thinks that his health is at stake, then he can retire any time he wants. Of course he could just stand there and lose the second set 1-6 but what a match would that be. It's only a damn 250 final, you earn more money by reaching the R32 at the USO. That's what he was thinking I guess.

I wasn't joking btw:

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/about/histo ... money.html

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Play ... .aspx?t=pa

[emate007]

I propose a new metric for measuring tennis greatness:

(Total match wins * ((# of Grand Slam titles * 1.5)+1) - (((number of times cried after a loss*10)+1) * ((number of retirements^2)+1))) = THE MAN UP INDEX SCALE.

[emate007]

That took a lot longer to equate that it should have, but I like it.

[Murderface84]

That really should be an official stat.

Good luck running that equation the hundreds of times necessary to find the all time highest Man Up Index player

[emate007]

It has to be nadal or sampras.

[Vieira151]

I propose a new metric for measuring tennis greatness:

(Total match wins * ((# of Grand Slam titles * 1.5)+1) - (((number of times cried after a loss*10)+1) * ((number of retirements^2)+1))) = THE MAN UP INDEX SCALE.

Only problem is tennis isn't a man's sport. It's a gentleman's sport. Big difference.

[Rob ITST]

Pete retired 7 times. Nadal has 6 times - once in a Grand Slam. I actually didn't think either player had retired that many times.

So:
Pete's Man Up Score = 16714
Rafa's Man Up Score = 12047

Pete's 14 Slam wins and 762 career wins put him over the top (I'm assuming neither cried after a loss, at least publicly).

But Federer, with his 910 career wins, 17 Slams, 1 cry after a loss, and ZERO retirements = 24104

I have to say the formula needs work - that epic cry for Federer has to count for more. He's surely not twice the man that Rafa is.

I'm tired of checking stats, but I wonder about Agassi. I don't remember him crying or quitting.

[Rob ITST]

Someone from ATPworldtour site is reading this broad, I swear!

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis ... ecord.aspx

I have seen quite a few things picked up from here into there, like my "Dog" nickname for Dolgopolov a few years ago...

WTF?!!! Show yourself!

They were talking about Rafa's h2h during his match today too.

BTW: Rafa could meet Davydenko in the 3rd round. Davydenko was the only guy with a winning h2h against Rafa - by the end of the US Open, there might not be anyone.

[Murderface84]

Does ITST imitate tennis???

Or does tennis imitate ITST???




Image is nothing.
ITST is everything.
Obey ITST.
Bitch.

[emate007]

Only problem is tennis isn't a man's sport. It's a gentleman's sport. Big difference.

The terms aren't mutually exclusive. Do you know anybody who would rather be called a gentleman than a man?