VSync Dude, VSync

[Fez]

For four years, ive been complaining about "Fez Effect". Turns out it's input lag caused by having Vsync turned on. I recommend all users to try to play with vsync turned off. For many this will solve issues. EG, andry3000 had same issue. This is very good for the tour, i'm certain there are several other players out there who have been crippled by vsync.

Fyi, the "+" in my name indicates Fez without 100lb weights attached to my racquet.

[kenos]

Well unless one is an Alienware user Vsync is the first thing you turn off in a game: I'm glad you figured out, finally knowing the reason for something that every time, honestly, looked just like a delusional way to deal with defeat to me. Eager to see Murray without that pile of bricks on his back!

[djarvik]

Get online so I can whoop your ass back into Fezeffect

Murray sux

[pidzi]

Why did you have to put that last statement into your post djarvik ? You knew i would read it, now i have to counter somehow but its too early to come up with something worthy.

[inseedious]

For four years, ive been complaining about "Fez Effect". Turns out it's input lag caused by having Vsync turned on. I recommend all users to try to play with vsync turned off. For many this will solve issues. EG, andry3000 had same issue. This is very good for the tour, i'm certain there are several other players out there who have been crippled by vsync.

Fyi, the "+" in my name indicates Fez without 100lb weights attached to my racquet.

I've been telling you for years that freezes and frags/tearing are caused by V-sync issues

[Fez]

Inseed,

The tearing is a actually caused by turning Vsync off. But this tearing is not a problem, its just a minor asthetic thing. And freezing has nothing to do with Vsync (at least in my case). It is purely "input lag", that is, my key presses dont register properly, so its as if I am never charging a shot.

So, in fact, nobody properly diagnosed the issue.

Just sayin.

[inseedious]

Inseed,

The tearing is a actually caused by turning Vsync off. But this tearing is not a problem, its just a minor asthetic thing. And freezing has nothing to do with Vsync (at least in my case). It is purely "input lag", that is, my key presses dont register properly, so its as if I am never charging a shot.

So, in fact, nobody properly diagnosed the issue.

Just sayin.

It's not about the problem being diagnosed properly, it's about suggesting you to tweak with V-sync options on both game and GPU sides. Anyway, I'm happy you solved your problem.

P.s. In the past, I turned V-sync off on some FPS games because there was actually input lag, but I can't handle screen tearing during TE rallies. It's just confusing.

[inseedious]

(Sorry for the double post)

Anyway, I would like to clarify the "V-sync problem" so other players, especially new ones, can benefit from it.
In a few words, V-sync makes your game run at the same fps your monitor supports. For example (this is true for the majority of monitors), if your monitor supports no more than 60 fps, V-sync will cap your game's fps to 60, so if your game can run at 100 fps, it will still run at 60 when you have V-sync turned on.

The benefits of having V-sync are:
- fps stabilization. Running a game at 100 fps, when your monitor can only show you 60 fps, is unnecessarily expensive in terms of CPU, GPU, RAM, etc. Capping fps at 60 means saving useful resources for the moments you really need them (e.g. more stressful scenes, where fps can easily go down from 100 to 30 fps, if not less);
- screen tearing avoidance. Having V-sync turned off literally means that your computer is elaborating images that don't refresh with the same refreshing rate of your monitor. This means that your screen may show, instead of full frames, the moment of transition from a frame to the next one, thus showing two incompatible frames at the same time filling two separate parts of the screen. Especially when there's a lot of movement (i.e. Tennis Elbow played with dynamic or mild-dynamic camera), this is much evident and frequent, and that's why I suggest you to turn your V-sync on, if you don't want to misperceive the incoming ball's direction and/or speed.

On the other hand, though, V-sync is a kind of re-working of the image, because, in other words, your computer/GPU picks every frame your game is elaborating and synchronize it with your monitor's frame rate. This means that, if your computer is not powerful enough to easily handle a game, you may experience some input lag, since the image re-working is taking more time. Technically, it's not really input lag, but output lag, because it's the image you see being delayed, but the effect is exactly the same.
If your computer, instead, can run Tennis Elbow pretty easily (which is the case for most of the PCs that are less than 5 years old approximately), the delay caused by V-sync is negligible and won't affect your performance at all.
There are other problems with V-sync, which mostly consist in a conflict between your GPU V-sync and in-game V-sync options. But I won't talk about them, because they're strictly related to the specific brand/model of your GPU.

I hope this will help.

[djarvik]

TheBoss-94 - Fez+ Quarter-Finals 6-4, 6-0

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[C4iLL]

How to solve Fez effect....

- Avoid the 58.8 fps glitch, so restart computers, give up the fancy graphics options.
- Start and close TE at least 2 times before playing any match ; I always noticed TE boots way slower at first start, than second start...
- Tune the delay : a long time ago Inseedious pointed out the fact that too short delays can make the game slow, I think it's true... sometimes.

[inseedious]

How to solve Fez effect....

- Avoid the 58.8 fps glitch, so restart computers, give up the fancy graphics options.
- Start and close TE at least 2 times before playing any match ; I always noticed TE boots way slower at first start, than second start...
- Tune the delay : a long time ago Inseedious pointed out the fact that too short delays can make the game slow, I think it's true... sometimes.

A low delay generally makes the game slower, because there's more time to charge the shots, but more time is required to aim. This means that the players can hit with smaller aiming zones – i.e. more predictable shots – and can arrive earlier on the ball while defending, though sometimes struggle with aiming during fast exchanges. Especially on clay, this makes all decent players able to reach almost all balls with full charging.
Other than that, yeah, I noticed that putting a delay very similar or even lower to the real ping – not necessarily low, e.g. a 167 ms delay vs a 160-180 ping – makes the game slower.

As regards slow TE loading at first, I don't think it may causes input lag or slowness. It's just the game being loaded for the first time from the HDD – something related to RAM, cache, etc. –. Indeed, when I had TE installed on my SSD, the loading was almost immediate since the very first opening.