ATP 250 Atlanta

[Florian]

I realised no one opened a topic so here it is with a quick sum up of my previous matchs : I first met a very impolite player from south america, Ronyers (6-4 6-1) defending pretty well though even if very high ping served his cause well. It was more like a fist pump match once he started to be aggressive for no reason and i got the best of it since i won way more points than he did .

Then i met Sedas who wasn't much of a big fight (6-0 *1-0), him doing many ues and then brutally quitting after I accidentally hit the down arrow while defending a very difficult catch from 5m behing baseline resulting in a defensive lob, and he accused me of cheating for that one point and left right away so i gladly took the opportunity to finish that match on a ret. ^^

My next opponent was MaxBou32 (6-0 6-1), from Canada so with a very high 200ms delay. The match was going on well until, probably fed up with the harsh score, he fist pumped also on every point he could win from the 2nd set. I gladly took that challenge too but unfortunately that took my focus away and couldn't reach my goal which was to double bagel him, after he served very well in that one game he won. The atmosphere calmed down in the end and i had to wait for my opponent in the Final.

And i was very glad The Dude got a wo over alex, not that i wouldn't have loved to face one of the sickest psycho since TE exists, but since his connex his horrendous, and I'm facing some issues right now since i have to use wireless connexion for holidays, there would have been some fireworks indeed, but probably only in the chat box.

So I'll sum the final quickly : Florian (Djokovic) def. The Dude (Federer) 4-6 6-3 6-3

1st set : some glitches but enjoyable match, i had many early chances to break but couldn't do it, couldn't take advantage from some 2nd serves so i paid it once The Dude put more and more pressure on my serves as the end of the set arrived. It was disappointing since i felt good on court in the begining, and I thought I wouldn't turn the match around.

2nd set : same connex than in the 1st set, and my opinion got confirmed by the fact that The Dude broke my serve for 2-0 after a long game. I found a way to break him back few games later thanks to bad luck on his side, and then kept the momentum on by breaking twice again, tooking advantage of some glitches here and there...

3rd set : connex got more tricky there and it could have gone either way, really, and probably more his way than mine. We had to deal with frequent glitches and there wasn't much fun anymore in that set, high peak arrived when connex crushed at *4-2 15-40 (such an horrible situation for both).

Once i rehosted i saved 3 bps at least, and held until the end.

Anyway The Dude was very fair and kind, not using accels during point once lag appeared and when i was in bad position . I know I got really lucky to win this match in the 3rd, even if it could probably have been a 3 setter anyway with this match up. I'm sorry for him since he played a very good tourney and a nice final, unfortunately for him when lag appears the pusher style is a bit more helped than the aggressive style. He'll get his hands on a trophey soon I'm certain.

GL in Montreal !

[VMoe86]

I think Dude also does not have the best connection at the moment (instable and varying ping, that wasn't the case some weeks ago), combining that with yours being on WiFi right now sounds like fun. Congrats for a title Florian and I also think that Dude will get a Pro title soon enough!

[Sedas]

To the great "champion" Florian:
"Who does not know the truth is just an idiot. But who knows it and calls it a lie is a criminal" Bertold Brecht.

[Elias]

accidentally hit the down arrow while defending a very difficult catch from 5m behing baseline resulting in a defensive lob

That can happen obviously accidentally. Though, did you gave your opponent the point, or gave back the next point ?
I do it always when i accidentally break the rules : if i play accidentally a besline lob, i stop playing the current point, parking my character in the corner of the court. If the opponent still misses the ball, i'll give away the next point. It's in my opinion the right way to deal with such situations, not taking any profit of it, the same way as a desync should be dealt with.

Congrats for this title nevertheless

[Florian]

Thanks Vmoe, Elias.

About that lob, if I wanted to do it again I wouldn't be able to make it happen. It wasn't a baseline lob since I was around the furthest point you can be while defending, hence it is a different situation from when you hit a defensive lob from the baseline, which is very easy to produce without hitting an ue (ask Alex ).

I apologize in both situations though, and since I don't give the point right away, what I do is that I play a slow spin on the very next shot, which is enough for the opponent to take the edge in the rally once more (of course it would still be a different king of edge but it's still better than hitting a nasty accel to take profit from this).

The Dude accidentally played 2 defensive lobs from the baseline during our final, I won one point and lost the other one, he apologized and I'm not mad at him, period. Giving the point would be a nonsense in my opinion.

How about giving the point back each time you catch a "ping-pong" volley outside, or each time there is a nasty netcord, or a short slice that you luckily managed to hit from an attack (shouldn't happen so...) ? Doesn't make any sense to me.

I gladly give the point back right away if I hit a drop shot while the opponent is at the net, or if I hit a "morphing drop -> accel" shot (in tournies).


About Sedas' comment, I think that incident just became a poor way to escape from the current nightmare you were living. You took it as an excuse and sorry but blaming your defeat on that particular point is pretty ridiculous to me.

[Elias]

About that lob, if I wanted to do it again I wouldn't be able to make it happen. It wasn't a baseline lob since I was around the furthest point you can be while defending, hence it is a different situation from when you hit a defensive lob from the baseline, which is very easy to produce without hitting an ue (ask Alex ).

If it was just some sort of misshit then shit happens and no need to give back a point as no rules has been broken.
maybe was it a "slow defense slice" (special combo shot wich is tolerated by the way, pigro does them often unintentionnaly in difficult reach situations, they can be pretty troublesome when not used to, as their depth is pretty variable) ?

I apologize in both situations though, and since I don't give the point right away, what I do is that I play a slow spin on the very next shot, which is enough for the opponent to take the edge in the rally once more (of course it would still be a different king of edge but it's still better than hitting a nasty accel to take profit from this).

Yeah that also can be a fair option i guess.

The Dude accidentally played 2 defensive lobs from the baseline during our final, I won one point and lost the other one, he apologized and I'm not mad at him, period. Giving the point would be a nonsense in my opinion.

Not really a nonsense, depends the situation, if the baseline lob scores directly the point, cause the opponent hits it out, or just wind shots it, for example. Then the next point should be given back imo.

How about giving the point back each time you catch a "ping-pong" volley outside, or each time there is a nasty netcord, or a short slice that you luckily managed to hit from an attack (shouldn't happen so...) ? Doesn't make any sense to me.

I agree on this one, there is no rule broken is such net ping pong points, it's just a part of this game, the issue is a bit random and that's it, no reason to give back a point in such situation.

[Sedas]

it was not just the one lob. your have won a serve because of a lag. after this i write you pls give me the point back becuase i was not ready and you have not responded. I do not understand your behavior. you are been much much better than me and you playing so unfair.

[Florian]

it was not just the one lob. your have won a serve because of a lag. after this i write you pls give me the point back becuase i was not ready and you have not responded. I do not understand your behavior. you are been much much better than me and you playing so unfair.

You went to the menus for like 20seconds and then went back without saying a word, i guess no one obliged you to press F12 to get back on court so I served. Absolutely no reason for me to give the point back (because maybe you were sure you would have won that point ? Be serious once... ), and by the way if you want to avoid this kind of situation next time ask for a second or a minute in the chat, instead of pausing without giving any reason, then you might have a chance to call some opponent unfair.

And btw I remember very well after that you just wrote "I'm sorry I wasn't ready.", you didn't even ask for the point back so stop inventing stuff and act like an adult next time you need some time during a match.

For the rest I agree with you Elias, when the defensive lob results in an air swing or an UE, one could give the point back (unfortunately replay the point doesn't exists here (or fortunately )) but this wasn't a defensive lob reaching the baseline, it was more like a very attackable ball.

[C4iLL]

With Florian, it's always the pot calling the kettle black.

In one hand, he accuses people of unfair practices whereas they didn't do anything wrong ; and on the other hand his own behavior is really borderline including :

- opening the "in game" chat to complain about lag when he looses a set... (whereas : 1) lag is similar for the two guys ; 2) it advantages his pusher style ; 3) opening chat during a match breaks concentration)... but saying nothing when he wins the very next sets in same conditions of course.
- spamming 100 lobs in a set if you regularly come at the net + staying 5 meters from baseline to wait for your faults especially on clay.
- hosting with very high delay to advantage his defensive style : you're quite unable to hit a winner then.
- critizing people on public itst chat when they're not present

And so on...

[Sorauze]

With Florian, it's always the pot calling the kettle black.

In one hand, he accuses people of unfair practices whereas they didn't do anything wrong ; and on the other hand his own behavior is really borderline including :

- opening the "in game" chat to complain about lag when he looses a set... (whereas : 1) lag is similar for the two guys ; 2) it advantages his pusher style ; 3) opening chat during a match breaks concentration)... but saying nothing when he wins the very next sets in same conditions of course.
- spamming 100 lobs in a set if you regularly come at the net + staying 5 meters from baseline to wait for your faults especially on clay.
- hosting with very high delay to advantage his defensive style : you're quite unable to hit a winner then.
- critizing people on public itst chat when they're not present

And so on...

I totally agree with you !

[VMoe86]

Enough, we had this before.