How many times until it's cheesy?

[Uchiha Muss]

I'm not talking about lob during a baseline rally. So here's the situation:
I can do short slice, I can do banana shot (finally). I've that "accelerated slice". Now these aren't really cheesy on its own.
But sometimes when I'm returning from my backhand side I like to short slice and most of the time I win. For 2nd serves sometimes I get into the court and do a dropshot return. Doesn't work often but when it does It's a flawless dropshot with 100% win success. During rallies I can do that banana shots indefinitely. I go to the net, so I think I'm really cheesy and feel guilty at times. (when I'm leading like 5-1 or 5-2).
Just how many times can I execute them in a set and walk away knowing I played FAIR. I need to know because it's habit to me and I will use it in tour matches.

[VMoe86]

Cheesy is not determined by "How many times". It plays a role, but also the situation when it was used is important. There will be complaints filed regarding you and your play, bet on it.

EDIT: Accelerated slice is forbidden.

[Rob ITST]

If you have to ask, you're probably playing cheesy.

[Uchiha Muss]

Cheesy is not determined by "How many times". It plays a role, but also the situation when it was used is important. There will be complaints filed regarding you and your play, bet on it.

Why do you think I specifically asked this question. I know you said the numbers don't play an important role. You talked about it in the chat. But I need a range where I can safely use those shots above. I can't rely on your answer because if someone complains I don't know what to do. I can't tell them "Vmoe told me it doesn't matter how many times I use, it's your fault because it's such an easy shot to return?

At least I don't use top spin serve which is what I consider cheesy. Most people can't even get their 1st in 60%. And everyone just serves top spin serve which is bullshit serve. And there is that Snake serve with ball changing its mind at least 3 times until it hits the ground. You don't consider those cheesy right?

I just want to have an insurance so I can play safe without getting killed in the process.

P.S. Stop talking about accel slice forbidden. It's human limitation that I can't press 2 buttons at the precisely same time when the ball is traveling at 153km/h. If you overcome that evolutionary trait be my guest.

@RobITST

Good to know that I'm already playing cheesy. I'm not, I just learned banana shot and practised against CPU. Don't jump to conclusions before I told you how many times I used. 0 by the way.

[inseedious]

You're playing banana shots, short slices, slice accels(forbidden!!!), and you think that top spin serves are cheesy?! You are a bit confused.

However, it really doesn't mind how many times you use short slices, for example if you use just one short slices in the whole match, and it gives you the decisive break on the 4-4, it's cheesy. I think we should just ban short slices, to me it's a cheesy shot, if it's not a winner it still gives you an unfair advantage in the point, because you don't really need any skill to execute it. Yeah, they exist in real tennis, but they're extremely hard to execute well and they usually bounce way higher, deeper and without that sidespin. On grass, they can be a brainless winning tactic. I used them a very few times, when playing very defensive players who stay a lot behind, just to tell them "I can easily win this match if you keep up staying so far!"

Banana shots are also annoying, especially by nadal or verdasco users, but they are used in real tennis, and can be useful when making a passing shot. However, I think they should be allowed only when using high spin players who use it in their real matches (mostly nadal and verdasco).

[VMoe86]

inseedious explained nicely what a cheesy situation is. I also agree with him on Banana shot: You basically only see those crazy banana shots for some shots down the line on the run and passing shots down the line, but not as a casual rally shot. In fact, shots in TE have some banana trajectory even without using banana shot, depending on how much Spin your character has.

[costiiforzaa]

Sometimes I make short slice, but really I dont know I do it. I just think that I will hit a short slice and its go short. So how I can avoid this short slices when they are forbidden?

[inseedious]

Sometimes I make short slice, but really I dont know I do it. I just think that I will hit a short slice and its go short. So how I can avoid this short slices when they are forbidden?

Maybe you're meaning that sometimes you hit short slices when hitting normal slices. The short slice is a shot done by pressing the sequence: slice button+drop shot button+slice button. Yeah, sometimes some normal slices are shorter and "faster" than usual ones, mostly triggered by a "last moment" slice, and can cause some troubles, but I really don't care much about them, as they are nothing compared to short slices. I usually like to hit a "last moment" slice, to vary the rythm (in this game charged slices are very slow and mostly defensive) and break my opponent's scheme, I think they are totally fair, as they are not very short and they are easily counterable, sometimes even being UE. My thought (as I often wrote on the forum) is that this game lacks of decent slices, that are faster and lower than current ones. Maybe the sequence pressed to hit a short slice should be used to hit an offensive slice.

Just look at some Vinci's slices in this video, to understand what I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84N8N5508w0

[eliomelma]

You're playing banana shots, short slices, slice accels(forbidden!!!), and you think that top spin serves are cheesy?! You are a bit confused.

However, it really doesn't mind how many times you use short slices, for example if you use just one short slices in the whole match, and it gives you the decisive break on the 4-4, it's cheesy. I think we should just ban short slices, to me it's a cheesy shot, if it's not a winner it still gives you an unfair advantage in the point, because you don't really need any skill to execute it. Yeah, they exist in real tennis, but they're extremely hard to execute well and they usually bounce way higher, deeper and without that sidespin. On grass, they can be a brainless winning tactic. I used them a very few times, when playing very defensive players who stay a lot behind, just to tell them "I can easily win this match if you keep up staying so far!"
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I am happy to read this because you are one of the players that can manage very good short slices. I remember our conversation after the tiebreak where you have hit some short slices, and you since 2 months ago admitted that this shot could be banned. So now what is the decision, you can hit a short slice or not? and what are slice acc?And how execute banana shot?

[Uchiha Muss]

You're playing banana shots, short slices, slice accels(forbidden!!!), and you think that top spin serves are cheesy?! You are a bit confused.

Dude, if frustration equals frustration then yes Top Spin is the worst cheesy play because they're doing it right from the beginning. I'll do my cheats during rallies which is hard considering the combinations of buttons I've to maintain.
You just don't know how many times I had to Alt+F4 out of the game because people would do those serves suddenly ON BREAK POINT. I get so angry that I post these topics here and in Managames. You just think that cheats are piece of cake or something. If you want the shot gone complain to Manutoo like I did 2 times already. I'm fighting for myself, you can't just say this should be banned and expect me to not use it. Get going Inseedious.

Short slice is a pure art. CPU does it all the time on Incredible level 1. Do you guys never notice it? In real life as well, fed, haas and dimitrov's slices are very low and short. I don't think short slices are that much of a cheesy. Besides it's not like I use it every point. I do 3-4 per set with 3-4 fails which are stupid dropshots that doesn't reach the other end. There is a price to pay for everything. At least when I cheat.

Banana shot? Many people at upper level use it quite often. I'm talking about some 1500-1900 ELO. I don't see why I shouldn't try.

P.S. I'm gonna keep using those cheats, 2 things will happen: People will complain and eventually spell my doom
Or people aren't dumb and they will ask me how they can do it. Considering I play with lower level players a lot I'm sure they will try to gain any advantage by learning those shots. If that happens I will gladly tell it to everyone and bring them to my level. Then EVERYONE WILL CHEAT. I'm being optimistic of course.

[inseedious]

I am happy to read this because you are one of the players that can manage very good short slices. I remember our conversation after the tiebreak where you have hit some short slices, and you since 2 months ago admitted that this shot could be banned. So now what is the decision, you can hit a short slice or not? and what are slice acc?

Hi elio, if you remember it, I always agreed with banning short slices, also during our match. That match was the only one in which I used them more than a time, and, according to what I wrote in my previous post, I used them to make you understand that you could not win the match by staying the most far behind the baseline (in a mod (1.12) in which defense was so overpowered, and playing with Murray). However slice accels are shots done by charging the slice button and then hitting an acceleration at the last moment (or a another shot except slices and drops), the result is an acceleration that will confuse the opponent. The opposite thing (charging an accel and then slicing and or dropping) is allowed and i think it's the only way to make a drop efficient.

Dude, if frustration equals frustration then yes Top Spin is the worst cheesy play because they're doing it right from the beginning. I'll do my cheats during rallies which is hard considering the combinations of buttons I've to maintain.
You just don't know how many times I had to Alt+F4 out of the game because people would do those serves suddenly ON BREAK POINT. I get so angry that I post these topics here and in Managames. You just think that cheats are piece of cake or something. If you want the shot gone complain to Manutoo like I did 2 times already. I'm fighting for myself, you can't just say this should be banned and expect me to not use it. Get going Inseedious.

Short slice is a pure art. CPU does it all the time on Incredible level 1. Do you guys never notice it? In real life as well, fed, haas and dimitrov's slices are very low and short. I don't think short slices are that much of a cheesy. Besides it's not like I use it every point. I do 3-4 per set with 3-4 fails which are stupid dropshots that doesn't reach the other end. There is a price to pay for everything. At least when I cheat.

Banana shot? Many people at upper level use it quite often. I'm talking about some 1500-1900 ELO. I don't see why I shouldn't try.

P.S. I'm gonna keep using those cheats, 2 things will happen: People will complain and eventually spell my doom
Or people aren't dumb and they will ask me how they can do it. Considering I play with lower level players a lot I'm sure they will try to gain any advantage by learning those shots. If that happens I will gladly tell it to everyone and bring them to my level. Then EVERYONE WILL CHEAT. I'm being optimistic of course.

LOL, you're writing lots of nonsense. There are lots of "short slices" in real atp tour, but just look at some videos: short slices in TE bounce very low and the second bounce is less than 1 meter far from the first one. In real tennis, even a perfect short slice travels a lot after the first bounce, it's lower (of course), but not that unrealistic as TE one. In real tennis, most short slices will have the second bounce near the baseline or even deeper! And you think that short slicing is an art: well if you have this thought, you chose the wrong game and the wrong mod. How can you consider a so unfair and easy way to win a point (just press 3 buttons and charge) as an art? Are you F kidding me?

Just look at this video: http://youtu.be/kUQxz8o9l1s?t=1m30s
This is one of the best short slices you will ever see, from a slice specialist, on a very fast and low bounce court (indoor I think), the ball didn't bounce twice and the second bounce was going to be very near to the baseline, if not behind it. TE short slices usually bounce before the 3rd quarter of the court.

[Uchiha Muss]

LOL, you're writing lots of nonsense. There are lots of "short slices" in real atp tour, but just look at some videos: short slices in TE bounce very low and the second bounce is less than 1 meter far from the first one. In real tennis, even a perfect short slice travels a lot after the first bounce, it's lower (of course), but not that unrealistic as TE one. In real tennis, most short slices will have the second bounce near the baseline or even deeper! And you think that short slicing is an art: well if you have this thought, you chose the wrong game and the wrong mod. How can you consider a so unfair and easy way to win a point (just press 3 buttons and charge) as an art? Are you F kidding me?

Oh so you call your boring baseline rallies "playing" a game? Tell me more how you run from side to side. In real life the skid is low. Players have to bend to get to those slices. However in this game you're a straight stick with some pixels attached to you. That's why you have to run to get those short slices. Also don't oversimplify this things. If you call pressing 3 buttons at their own time "**** up" then you seriously lack imagination. Playing piano is an art. I live in a world where fingers can make an art and that's why I can call short slices art.

Well I made my point and told about my goal. I'll do a week of trial or maybe 2 and follow-up with another topic.

[Woowhat]

Top spin serve is b2+up+down? Dont see whats wrong with that shot. Easily returnable, with some good positioning even possible to hit return winner.
Slice accels, baseline lobs, short slices, dropspamming, that strange slow jabulani serve in body, fake drop-accel combo, intentionally hitting offcenter safe shots while in certan situations, sending stupid msgs like lol and you were lucky to distract opponent and kill all the fun, constantly destroying raquets after opponent hits a clean winner... it's all bad play and people know that.
When you start to consider playing cheesy just to gain advantage and win maybe it's time to take a break from game. Or not, I guess it all depends on mentality of player.

IMO there should be a list of forbidden shots cos right now it's all bit unclear, epecially for newcomers.

[J. Grilo]

Actually, i can't understand too, why Top Spin serves are allegedly cheesy. I do that relatively often and good players return them easily most of a time and make even a return winner sometimes. I have to admit, that i have problems, when the opponnent do it, but that's my problem and i have to practise more and anticipate better.

[eliomelma]

After all, now short slices are allowed or banned? One more time again in training matches i can see how this shot give an advantage, 6 short slices and 6 points. Now i have can use it and i make against my opponent 7 short slices and won 7 points, he was good opponent with 1700 ELO. This shot could ne deleted from strikes at least in itst tour