Tourney point scheme an abstraction

[Fez]

Tell me, why is it that players are rewarded for being in an opening round of a tourney? Because of this, the ranking fails to really reflect player skill. For example, I know one player who has a miserable win/loss record, yet he is ranked in the middle of the pack simply because he's joined tons of tourneys. Why not make opening round without points? Is it simply in keeping with realism or is there another reason I'm overlooking?

It would be nice if ranking more closely reflected actual player skill. No?

[VMoe86]

In the end, only a limited number of tournaments are considered for the ranking (countable and non-countable tournaments). So, the one playing a huge number of tournaments won't get more points than someone playing just the number of countable tournaments, but he will have a bad win/loss record if he always loses in the first (or second) round.

[Cro Morgan]

To expound on what VMoe said....

The Entry Ranking counts your performance over the last 52 weeks. The best 18 performances count -- 4 Grand Slams, 8 ITST World Tour 1000 and (your best) other 6 (plus the Masters Cup). This ranking is not reset to 0 after each season.

So, you can play every tournament of the season - accumulate gobs of first round points - however, only 18 of these tournaments, as outlined above, will actually count toward your ranking.

[djarvik]

I am embarrassed we have to explain it.

I am gonna link this here, just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis

[VMoe86]

I am embarrassed we have to explain it.


I am gonna link this here, just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis

Ban me please.

[Vieira151]

[Fez]

Well, thanks. I'm just going by the "rankings" page. shows a guy ranked 50 something when he loses constantly. My point is that that should never read that way. Never.

[Fez]

Don't be embarassed Djarvik. My tennis ignorance isnt such a grand slam shame. Do you speak Hebrew? Or Albanian? Does that make you a fool?

[C4iLL]

Yeah I have to agree with Fez, only the tennis hardcore fans know that aspect of the ATP ranking.

[djarvik]

Don't be embarassed Djarvik. My tennis ignorance isnt such a grand slam shame. Do you speak Hebrew? Or Albanian? Does that make you a fool?

I do speak Hebrew.

It's not about being as fool, you are on a tennis forum, playing a tennis game, following a real ATP schedule, using real courts, using current ATP players. My assumption is that you are a fan. And as a fan of a sport, much like NBA or NFL, you should know how the points are being calculated.

Unless ofcourse you are not a fan of tennis.

[inseedious]

This is one of the main reasons why top 5 (with some exceptions like Ferrer) almost never join ATP 250 events, except very rare cases (like Nadal's comeback and Wimbledon preparation).

[Cro Morgan]

From my experience - and in defense of FezAzulay - there are two types of tennis gamers.

1) Hardcore tennis fans who play video games.
2) Hardcore video game fans who play tennis games.

Generally speaking, the hardcore tennis fan typically prefers realistic games/settinges (i.e. sim). The hardcore gaming fan leans toward arcade settings.

Additionally, the hardcore tennis fan who plays video games knows practically everything about tennis (and how the ranking system works). The hardcore gamer who enjoys tennis games, knows a little, but not a lot about tennis (i.e may not know how the ranking system works, or, how draws are made).

The ITST caters to both types of players, so the range of questions asked on the forum should be understandly wide.

[Vieira151]

From my experience - and in defense of FezAzulay - there are two types of tennis gamers.

1) Hardcore tennis fans who play video games.
2) Hardcore video game fans who play tennis games.

What about 3) A casual video game fan who also likes to occasionally watch tennis?
or 4) A sports fan who is passively interested in tennis, and likes to play video games casually?

I'm also interested in how you define a hardcore video game fan (because at first I was writing a paragraph based on 'hardcore gamers' but then I realised those are different).

[Cro Morgan]

What about 3) A casual video game fan who also likes to occasionally watch tennis?
or 4) A sports fan who is passively interested in tennis, and likes to play video games casually?

What about them?

[Fez]

At some point in life, Djarvik, we learn. Which implies that we didn't know previously. When did you learn the ATP scheme? Before you were a fan? after? When "should" you have known? You "should" be willing to inform those who would like to know without deriding their lack of info. I, in fact, am i "hardcore" tennis fan in the sense that i love the game and play it 3 times a week. I've just never been one to follow the "details" such as ranking scheme. But I'm glad I understand it now. And thanks for the defense boys!


Shalom Djarvik.