Public ITST mod '1.17d' pre-release test

[MaGav]

imo BG Friction is low enough somewhere in between 0.59 and 0.60. 0.59, 0.592, 0.595, i may be wrong though, maybe 0.60 would better. I may post an 1.17e with different surfaces values to test out anyways so you can test different friction values with this bounce, you guys will decide about it once you/we agree on something. For now i was working a bit on some new scoreboards (not sure they will be ready for final release though).

We should try the last test version which will be faster (hard courts) to see if is it playable at all and then make the final version as balanced between 1.17c-d-e. I wouldn't be affraid of trying 0.60 of BG friction.

Then i think Cement can get back to 1.17c cement values, maybe a bit faster (friction), like 0.592/0.82, or 0.595, 0.82. And then Plexi could get something close to 1.17d Cement values (0.585, 0.825) or around these values. Main thing i'd like is to have some logic in our surfaces values range.

Plexi deserves at least 0.59 (more if BG Cement would have >=0.6) of friction due to high bouncing there (0.825). That surface is fast in reality.

In my opinion difference between frictions on Plexi -> Cement -> BG -> Indoor should be like 0 -> +0.03 -> +0.05 -> +0.03 (for example 0.597/0.825->0.6/0.82-> 0.605/0.818->0.608/0.813)

[Elias]

Plexi deserves at least 0.59 (more if BG Cement would have >=0.6) of friction due to high bouncing there (0.825). That surface is fast in reality.

In my opinion difference between frictions on Plexi -> Cement -> BG -> Indoor should be like 0 -> +0.03 -> +0.05 -> +0.03 (for example 0.597/0.825->0.6/0.82-> 0.605/0.818->0.608/0.813)

In your opinion it deserves.. well yeah. But keep in mind we're not looking to build the mod surfaces for the top 5 either. What feels slow for a top mover may feel too fast for some average players (and we have to keep in mind mid-level and lower are a majority), i mean at 1900-2000 elo we can play some 5-7 average rally length sets on current Cement. Thus the need to find some acceptable middle grounds. You were ok with a Cement @ 0.585 / 0.82, now you want it 0.60 too me Cement looks/feels already a bit too fast @ 0.595 friction.

[Elias]

1.17e/f/g/h download : (21mb)

https://mega.co.nz/#!JN8Q0AYA!xUpl8kzx- ... amFhZXLJos

https://www.mediafire.com/?mmw8h4m25325jmx


Here we go. This patch installer is ment as an incremental patch, to be installed over your TE+1.17d install (it needs 1.17d to work). It will create 4 shortucts on your desktop, named ITST117e, ITST117f, ITST117g, ITST117h, wich are respectively starting 4 different versions (Tennis Elbow main shorcut / .exe still launching 1.17d).

There is no roster/character stats changes, these are only aimed as surfaces testing.

Important note :

Only the 8 first courts, reference ITST surfaces are modified. , so you want to only test these courts (other courts will still have 1.17d physics). Only exception is 1.17h wich also contains 3 additional modified Plexicushion courts (AO courts).

You will find 4 different sets of surfaces as detailed in this spreadsheet :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 43z9Q9_qGM


1.17e being the slower one, to 1.17h being the faster set. Surface 'sets" are not carved in stone either, we can still
mix up for example a surface from 1.17f with some of 1.17h in the final release (grass for example wich is not much linked to hard courts values range).

As i wrote above, In addition you'll find in 1.17h, 3 additional Plexi courts modified (the 3 AO courts), because i think Plexicushion bounce is more representative at a value of 0.83 or very close to (maybe higher in real world but that leads to more gameplay issues, so we'll reserve the high bounces to clay only), thus if we're going around 0.828 or 0.83, this probably needs to be compensated by a lower friction (higher value as it's inverted).

The 4 surface sets are still not exhaustive, so if you want more sufraces/values to test, feel free to ask here for a new set of values. It'll be pretty quick and easy for me to pack more versions if needed.

Don't hesitate to voice your opinions and preferences here, being a top player, average or modest skilled player, everyone opinion counts.

I think about one full week on testing on this one. It would be nice to plan 1.17 release around the end of next week-end, 8th or 9th march.

Wich also means some last testing with characters, then validation. I think the heavy guys are probably on the edge of balance (high edge for some of them), but anyway not far from, so we can just stay like this, or make some last, slight adjustements (without yielding to fear and being conservative gimping them too much though). On a sidenote about Berdych as an example, during their tests on 1.17d Cement, Vramvrim as (Ferrer), being defeated by Richie(Berdych) (http://i.gyazo.com/e95dfa03dea284a7efdb9c57c5eaae01.png), Richie not being much under pressure during rallies as you can see with the stats, Vram(Berdych) def. Richie(Nishikori) (http://i.gyazo.com/2a0df92c560de966ff6ebfc773c4fca9.png), and finally, Vramvrim (Simon) defeated Rich[Berdych) (http://i.gyazo.com/f82e014f5edfeea0eb4fa09f8cadbd24.png), wich also shows there is nothing impossible there. It will be interesting to check how it goes with the new batches of surfaces as well, being about Berdych or Tsonga group.

If any modifications regarding Berdych (if you feel it's necessary during your tests), you can use -0.5 RA (lowering tonicity to 63, he would be 64/63 (SP/TO) then), and/or putting FH power to 88.5 instead of 89. These are just some directions to follow if you are up to fine tune this category if you feel it necessary during your tests.
Lowering counter can help as well when it comes down to tweak hard hitters, so you can go into this territory as well (Cilic for example may be a bit safer balance wise, with a lower counter like 73 vs 77, it makes some difference when the character steps inside the court).

[Elias]

By the way, i just noticed someone testing 1.17h in the lobby :



Using US Open courts to test Blue Green is wrong. So i'll repeat it as it's written in bold in the previous post :

Only the 8 first courts, reference ITST surfaces are modified

(except the 3 Melbourne courts wich are modified as well in 1.17h)

So you have to use these 8 courts wich are using generic surface labels and icons :

- Plexicushion (ITST)
- Cement (ITST)
- Blue Green Decoturf (ITST)
- Indoor (ITST)
Grass (ITST)
etc ..

All other courts are unmodified 1.17d surfaces.

[Elias]

Just as an additional note : you have to select english language in TE to have the 8 court names surfaces displaying properly (if you use french or another language then TE vanilla names are displayed, wich can be misleading, like classic synthetic for grass, etc .. ), i forgot to update language files, i'll fix it in the final release.

[spid20124]

you gonna release the mod today or you have more work on it ?

[nico89sfx]

I'll try to reinstall again, but I'm seeing the weirdest animations on the few players I've tested (Dimitrov and Federer have Almagro-like backhands, and their serves are not what they used to be in 1.16). Djokovic on the other hand plays great as well as the new additions I've been able to test out (having seen Leo play so many times, I can say it's great he's finally in this).

EDIT: Never mind, reinstalled the whole thing again (somehow, something must have stayed behind), and now everything works perfect, animations are even better than before, and adding to that the gameplay changes, it makes for a much better experience IMO. The only thing I'm realizing now is how overpowered serving felt before, especially on clay. Now it is a lot more of a challenge, the way i see it. Great stuff.