French Open - Roland Garros 2013

[Florian]

R16 Florian (Djokovic) def. Caill (Djokovic) 4-6 6-1 6-2 6-2

Such an annoying start, i hosted in 117ms as i usually do to prevent glitches, and there were already a few turtles, after a couple points Caill asked me to host in 100ms or 83ms because the ball felt weird to him. I already knew that even if our ping was around 10ms, what matters is how high do glitches jump, and they jumped already around 70ms, so even if i knew it was gonna be worse and worse i didn't want to argue with him as he said he won't play in 117ms...

I hosted in 100ms, there were glitches higher and turtles almost every point but as they started once he broke me in the 1st for 3-1, i didn't want to use that as a reason to change momentum or whatever.

So i waited until he won the 1st set, and asked him to rehost 117ms, but he said he didn't notice a thing, which i find extremely weird since we see the same ms number in the right corner of the window...once more he said he won't change now because it's too late, so once more i didn't want to argue even if that was pretty much an unfair behaviour and i knew that i would eventually get used sooner or later even if that was really annoying.

From the start of the 2nd set the first games were long and i won both of them, and from that moment on, i got a bit more used to the connex, and moved better. The rest of the match is pretty much the same story, me defending better and him doing more mistakes.
I'm even pretty sure that his gameplay dropped because he did more ues than in the 1st, but for some reason he won't admit it...

Anyway this is a good lesson for me, from now on as soon as i detect turtles or something like that i won't accept to play in those conditions.

GL on grass.

[eliomelma]

Guys , were are dmo files ? Hope that from quarters you will post it

[C4iLL]

Florian : some people here were not far from being suspended for having opened the chat box after a set lost. You're not honest at all here, we didn't have any disturbing turtles. You justed opened the chat because you were pissed of to loose the set.
This was an innapropriate and unjustified way to act : I didn't want to file a report against you after the match, because you're french and till now, we had good relationships.

But after the incredible message you left here, I officially file a report for unfair behavior.
Both this behavior after the set (that disturbed me for the next set) AND also the weird conditions of the match contributed to rig the match.

These are the true facts :

1) We both live in Paris and then had a constant 10-15ms ping without turtle : proof ?
He won the three last sets and the first one was extremely closed. If we had turtles, how could he catch my numerous shots on lines ?
If you watch the demo, you'll see by yourself we never lost a point because of an easy ball missed due to something that would stop us from running, and you'll see how his defence was always well executed.

2) I had far less stamina than him at the end of the set, it would have been in my interest to rehost !
If I would be the unfair guy as he said, I would have been okay to rehost as he asked to get back my full stamina. But I'm not, and there was just no reason to rehost, except breaking the rythm ! Maybe it's stupid, but I respect rules and I respect stamina management even when it's not in my advantage just for the beauty of the realism.

3) Me and Florian used to practice a lot during the last months. Given the fact we have a 10 ms constant ping, we often played at a delay of 50-60 without trouble. The game was always pretty fast and, interesting thing to notice, I think I didn't loose a match vs him in like 10 sets played (since the Auto Pos thing has been removed actually).

4) Today, as soon as he came on the chat, he directly told me he has hosted the match.
I joined, played two exchanges and I directly saw something was wrong with the ball : it was extremely slow and floating, I checked the delay = 117 despite a ping of constant 10 ms, ok...
With a delay too far from the ping, the game is completely rigged for the person who joins in my opinion.
So I just asked at the very beginning of the match for a rehost and told him he kept his 30-0.Unlike him, I didn't ask this after a set lost !

At 100 ms it was more playable but in my opinion, the game was still weird, with the ball having not a lot of speed, exchanges who last a lot... To get a winner in the fourth set for example I had to put like 3 or 4 balls on lign, I did everything possible but the ball often came back because my shots were just not effective despite MAX charge....

I played several matches vs good players recently (Djoko vs Djoko) and the game was absolutely more faster.
These slow conditions, due to delay, advantaged him way too much by somehow transforming the game from 1.14 to 1.13 mod... Sorry but I don't think the game should be played like this. In offline, the ball doesn't float, it goes fast !

5) Everyone on this tour will tell you how Florian is one of the less appreciated guy for his global behavior, which is a combination of bad faith, bad sportmanship and absence of community spirit.
Everytime he looses, he never recognizes the talent and ability of his opponents : always excuses like deepshots, mishits, he even invent new english words to qualify stuff that just happen to him because of his lack of ability in TE ITST.
The way he opened the chat directly after the first set lost to critizice something that was just pure imagination is just another proof. A normal guy would have complain from the very first game of the first set... Chapeau l'artiste !

ps : If i had played him with me hosting + 66-83 ms of ping, the game would have been faster and I would have won in three sets.

[inseedious]

inseedious (Federer) def. Alexjasmins (Murray) 6-3 7-5 6-4

Well, this is the biggest surprise in RG for now. I played a very good match, being always focused and hitting lots of winner. The most impressive thing was that I never lost a service, having to face just a break point in the 3rd set. I think Alex is not in his best form and was really damaged by the abolition of autopos during rallies (this tells a lot about the defence overpowering we had in TE and in our tour...).

Unfortunately, we didn't play in the most comfortable conditions: I wasn't available as I've just come back home and had important commitments. I also had to install the game on a new pc my parents are using (I was not used to it). I'm sorry about my poor availablity, even if I think I did the most I could do to play this match.

The match was very smooth (unlike average Alex's connection problems) and we both played a good match, but he was just no more able to reach all those shots he reached during the beginning of the year, and his deficit of easy reaching was not controlled, causing some errors on his side. In addition, his tactics were not efficient, because I could anticipate most of his wrong foots and he let me hit lots of inside in/out huge forehands. He also started playing annoying short slices, but I could counter them.

We had to interrupt the match several times (it seems like I had to won the match more than a time, as always vs Alex...) because he crashed at the end of the 2nd set and then he had some advices from the pc during a break point on his serve in the 3rd set. I fairly accepted to replay the point, but however won it. At the end of the match, he just "remembered" that my poor availablity made him playing at his grandmother's home, so I won unfairly, helped by luck and by cheap points (I think he was luckier than me... considering that I was the one who mostly took the risks). I knew he was trying to get a rematch (lol), and in fact he started threating me saying something like "let me play from my pc, we'll see who will win". As I saw that behaviour, I just quitted the game and logged in the chat just to say I was going because I was very late for the date I had this night.

I haven't known what did he say in the chat yet, but I'm sure I will report this behaviour, not because he was disrespectful and a shame (I know Alex's a very bad loser), but because this arrogance gives him an unfair advantage! I had some problems planning the match and had to rehost at the beginning because I forgot a setting, and every time he made me notice his disappointment with his complaints and threating "LOLs". This just makes him starting more relaxed than his opponent. During the match, he often goes to the menu without concrete reasons and I know that several of his matches had to be rehosted more than a time, like mine. This just makes your opponent even more nervous. Then, after a set loss or a defeat, he will do all he can to demoralize you or obtain a rematch. I'm fed up with this. Sorry for the long post, hope it will be useful for anyone. Goodnight.

[Florian]

Did you just write this or is it a guy named Stajus who did it instead of you ? ^^ Nice aggressive post obviously from someone who got pissed by the loss

Facts : even if the ping is 10ms, when turtles happen, best thing to do is host higher delay (btw 117ms is one of the most frenquent delays if not the most frequent one hosted in ITST, and everytime we played exos together that i hosted, it was 117ms, either with me losing or winning the set). You insisted to host 100 or 83ms, i executed myself without argument, and i warned you it would probably be worse later on because that's what happens when playing more than 1 set with already turtles early.

We had turtles from the begining, which i told you from the 1st time you opened the chat, so you can't say i invented them or wtv. It annoyed me, and even if the 1st set was close, it wasn't a good connex from my eyes, so i proposed you once to rehost once you won the set which is pretty fair to me since the set was over (some people would definitely have started an argument right in the middle of the set to make you lose your temper, but I think that waiting till the end of the set was the longest i could wait and the fairest i could be).

And just to tell you how "unfair" i can be as you say : last week Vramvrim and I played Madrid Final, his connection sucked, and i still accepted to play it. We opened the chat at least 3 times, also after i lost the 1st set, and i don't think Vramvrim will tell you that I was unfair doing that, nor that he got his game all troubled by the chat interventions.

But what you saw is that i didn't play very well in the 1st while i was complaining about the turtles (i'm pretty sure there is a way to prove that maybe asking manutoo or sth like that), so of course you didn't want to rehost, while i accepted almost right away to rehost in lower delay at the begining of the set.

And i'll add that i opened the chat for 1 minute maximum, so if i really wanted to annoy you i could have insisted way longer, or even ask for a mod to check a printscreen. I didn't because i just wanted to play with good conditions.

Now please answer honestly to that question : would you have accepted to rehost to 117ms if i asked you at 2-1 or 3-1 (which was 5minutes after I rehosted and when the turtles started to happen more regularly) ?

Probably not, because somehow you didn't feel comfy at the begining and were only concerned about how it felt from your side. When i told you about the permanent turtles, you didn't care as much about how the game felt to me as i cared about how it felt to you.

Now what happened next says it all : i didn't want to argue anymore since i saw you were terribly stubborn, so i prefered to focus on my game and after a very close start of the 2nd set where you had 2bps (didn't seem you were affected by the chat at that time, right ? ), and after that i just broke you more often because you decided to s&v on almost every point on your next service game, so don't be surprised to lose your service games that way when doing s&v with a baseliner...

And btw when you're saying that in the 4th set you had to paint the lines 4 times in a row with full charged shots to win a point ? Let me smile, guys like Vramvrim, Butcher, Richie could teach you some about how they are able to bagel me sometimes but don't say you kind of played like a God and would have won in straight, because this is just the sign of frustration that you can't handle now since you loved the idea of defeating me after having taken the 1st set.

So to sum up : I hosted, you didn't like it, i didn't argue and hosted the way you asked. Then as i warned you, connex went worse but you still liked it since you took the set, i asked you if you were ok to set it back to 117ms, you said no way, i didn't argue, and what happened next is 6-1 6-2 6-2, period.

[VMoe86]

What a bunch of babies some can be. Now I have to spend 30+ minutes to write a response, after a night where I slept less hours than the amount of time invested (2:15 AM went to bed, 7:40 AM I woke up ) figuring out together with Elias and butcher why against butcher and Elias it desyncs randomly after a long rally in Federer vs. Dimitrov but not in Berdych vs. Cilic (or why it does not desync at all in ITST Mod 1.10). That is after all the reason why this match was not played yesterday.

1. inseedious vs. AlexJasmins

AlexJasmins had to play on a laptop which he has never done before (at home he plays on a desktop PC). He also mentioned you being late (8 PM instead of 6 PM) and of course he would have liked to play at a different time. He said he is done with ITST, so don't bother.

2. C4iLL vs. Florian

From my experience: With Florian I have a stable 70ms ping, without turtles when hosted at 117ms delay (and very likely also without turtles on lower delay since the ping is just stable, no high variations). With C4iLL there are always turtles there in exhibitions and I am not the only to have experienced that. So, against C4iLL I would not even bother any lower delay if I were hosting and would not play with lower delay if he were demanding that in an official match (in exhibitions I don't even check delay before the match is finished ).

If connection was the reason for the turtles then Florian is definitely right about higher delay causing less problems regarding turtles or possible glitches (i.e. animation not properly showing and so on, making it difficult to read what the opponent is doing).

There is also a chance turtles come from something else: SpeedStep. Here a response manutoo gave some weeks ago in private (since then SpeedStep detection has been improved by him, so I don't know if it still applies to 100%):

The game can run more slowly if you have a CPU with the SpeedStep technology (most laptop nowadays must have it, I guess) which makes run the CPU slower while idling and faster while on charge.
The game tries to autodetect if SpeedStep is present or not, and if it finds it, it swaps to another way of calculating time that works in all cases ; but if SpeedStep isn't active at game start & get activated later on (which should be quite rare), it'll be messy.
Anyway, if this happens on your PC, you won't see anything special except the game seems to run more slowly, whatever your online opponent is ; but if this happens on your opponent PC, then you'll see the Turtle icon non-stop during your match against him & the game will run more slowly only against him.

So, SpeedStep on your PC effective = Constant Turtles on opponent's PC. And one important thing to note: SpeedStep is not simply deactivated by having your PC plugged in to powerline. You should make sure in either BIOS that this CPU option is disabled OR you go to Energy Safing options of Windows, where you can put minimum CPU usage to 100%.

Regarding bringing up the chat: I don't see the problem doing so after the 1st set. Definitely better than doing so during the 1st set, for example when the one bringing up chat is down 4-5 and has to serve to stay in set (butcher did it ; I did not mind it, one should definitely voice the concern, but better after a set is finished, independent of result).

Summary: WiFi and laptops should be forbidden to used on tour.

[inseedious]

Yeah Moe I was a bit late because I was very busy, but I told it to him way before loggin in and I was online since 7.10 pm, but had to install and set the game.

However, maybe I noticed the laptop problem yesterday. I came back to a normal and powerful pc after about 8 months of laptop and, when turning around my backhands, sometimes I hit the air because I moved too much. Don't know if it's due to the bigger screen, but it seems that the game runs fastly on computers that have a better hardware configuration.
I'm sorry there were some problems between two big names as C4ill and Floriann, I think we can't say anything because we didn't play that match^^

However, I can suggest you to install the suite IObit created to optimize your pc, even for gaming. I use Advanced System Care (ASC) to perfectly clean my pc from trash and errors, and Razer Game Booster (plus some functions of ASC) to enhance the game experience by freeing some RAM/VRAM that was used to run useless programs and processes. ASC also has a power plan, so I think it solves the problems you may have with laptops. And yeah, I would suggest to always use Ethernet when playing ITST. Trust me, ASC can turn a pc from slow to very fast in half an hour, and has also a malware fighter. I play from a 11" macbook air when I'm at my campus city, and the ball always goes fast (the only difference was the one I mentioned before, but he can just be because of input lag). For "more infos" send me a pm.

[eliomelma]

Mah!! Where is the Spirit of TE Itst community of last year ? It was lose, no more play review of matches but only about match behaviours!

[tdbchess]

in the end, against which I must play Florian or C4ill ?
is that the game will be replayed or not ?

Diva tdbchess

[Florian]

Sorry Vmoe for "obliging" you to post something back at our posts , I didn't know at all about the speedstep and I guess it would be very interesting to post something a bit easier to understand for all, and it might even solve some issues when players feel weird on court for some not obvious reasons.

When I first read Caill's post I found it so funny, all the drama, the bold passages etc, that I didn't want to bother responding. But since his outburst was definitely aggressive and mean, which proved how empty of ideas it was, I had to post sth back.

For sure I might not be considered as the nicest player on tour, I know I can play at high level when I'm at my best so I know I don't like to lose to supposed less good players, but I ve always been fair and polite, and always recognize when I face a better player than me, and that was clearly not the case in our match (otherwise you would have won).

So sorry caill, I won't say you were the better player and I got lucky, now live with it and stop writing nonsense and being mean.

[pigrosofo]

Mah!! Where is the Spirit of TE Itst community of last year ? It was lose, no more play review of matches but only about match behaviours!

Hi Elio, Dimitrov has posted the .dmo of our R16 match and I can publish the .dmo of the match of R32 with Elias

[costiiforzaa]

Mah!! Where is the Spirit of TE Itst community of last year ? It was lose, no more play review of matches but only about match behaviours!

Hi Elio, Dimitrov has posted the .dmo of our R16 match and I can publish the .dmo of the match of R32 with Elias

Translation : I want to be in your next youtube video.

[eliomelma]

Very easy, you should only reach at least the Final

[pigrosofo]

Very easy, you should only reach at least the Final

You have already few connationals (so' italiano!) in this comunity, so you should be maybe more generous about admissions criteria in your videos however I understood your post in the sense that you complained about a poor presence of match videos on this topic

[Florian]

Guys , were are dmo files ? Hope that from quarters you will post it

There you go !