i'm really not gone

[djarvik]

Stop editing posts, just make a new one....its confusing to scan for changes etc..

Once again, you made a decision that there is NO WAY To adapt...why? Cause YOU cannot adapt.

That's all i have to point out man....you don't see that? Are you the tell all measure? ...or the 3 people in this posts are? ...or the vast majority that understand how the game works and why you having issues that you are having?

To answer your other questions, YES, I was able to adjust to lag at times, at times I was not. I clearly saw WHAT lag was affecting and was able to adjust me game play to produce the angles and depth I wanted.

I am not saying that you are driven purely by your ego, you don't strike me as such.....but I do know that you are driven by extreme emotions as illustrated by your constant complains, here and in gameplay....sometimes after one little thing that didn't go your way. I still remember convincing you to keep playing, numerous times, when you were struggling to cope with the game....you were throwing at me ALL and EVERYTHING as far as arguments/theories....but then you learned to play and that went away...this is another phase, nothing more.

...and if it is not - then it is a case of boy who cried wolf...and we know how that ended. Never mind though, this is not the case, as you can see people are responding to you and bringing you possible explanations to what you maybe "feeling". Just try to put emotions on the shelf for a few minuets and examine the situation rationally....and I mean the situation you are in as far as Gameplay, not here in the forum.

[djarvik]

While TE is a deep game it is not so deep that one cannot pinpoint repeating scenerios. For example, Fed serves to left corner of my box with b1+b2 serve, i step a bit, hit ball with strings, done this thousands of times,... ball returns to inside of his serve box all game long. 15 min later, vs Fed, different match, i do same thing, ball goes deep many times. I didn't sleep in between matches, nor drink tequla, nor step away to expel my semen and return in a less vital state of mind. What changed? How do i now adapt djarvik? How doth i get serve returns to goeth deepeth? Do telleth me!

Oh gosh. Did you read Moes post? Do I have to spell it out how to adapt? Quote him?

Just take a step back before returning and make sure to press AND hold the button on time and THROUGH the shot. You likely releasing it before the dead-zone kicking in and lose the direction and/or charge on it.

[Fez]

While TE is a deep game it is not so deep that one cannot pinpoint repeating scenerios. For example, Fed serves to left corner of my box with b1+b2 serve, i step a bit, hit ball with strings, done this thousands of times,... ball returns to inside of his serve box all game long. 15 min later, vs Fed, different match, i do same thing, ball goes deep many times. I didn't sleep in between matches, nor drink tequla, nor step away to expel my semen and return in a less vital state of mind. What changed? How do i now adapt djarvik? How doth i get serve returns to goeth deepeth? Do telleth me!

Oh gosh. Did you read Moes post? Do I have to spell it out how to adapt? Quote him?

Just take a step back before returning and make sure to press AND hold the button on time and THROUGH the shot. You likely releasing it before the dead-zone kicking in and lose the direction and/or charge on it.

AH, "hold the button throught the shot"?? I did not find this in vmoe's posting. But alas, new york, i will try this, it is the first bit of substance that doth runneth out yer mouth. HOld the button through the shot, not even sure what that means in serve returns because it all happens so fast that i am probably already doing this. But I will attempt to incorporate this method.

See, I am a reasonable soul.

[Fez]

byw djarvik, you said "I learned to play and the complaining went away" Actually it went away, because my lap top was getting hot and making it so i had no power on my shots. So all along, that problem was REAL and I fixed it. This is not a problem anymore. Shot power is fine. So you were mocking me then for just not knowing how to play, then it turns out there WAS a problem.

It will happen this way again.

[djarvik]

There is a deadzone, right before you hit the ball, to compensate for lag. Anything pressed or depressed in that zone is well....dead... so you need to make sure you have enough time first (move back if needed and server is throw fast ones at you) and you keep holding that bottom before the dead-zone kicks in. In fact you should be holding the button through the shot, meaning making sure you release after you CLEARLY made contact with the rackuet. Sometimes you maybe get ahead of yourself and release too early, to make sure you have time to recover....that is what hurts you.

SO you always have to adapt and balance that part, making sure you have enough time to recover, making sure you have enough time to charge, and making sure you hold through the shot.

[djarvik]

byw djarvik, you said "I learned to play and the complaining went away" Actually it went away, because my lap top was getting hot and making it so i had no power on my shots. So all along, that problem was REAL and I fixed it. This is not a problem anymore. Shot power is fine. So you were mocking me then for just not knowing how to play, then it turns out there WAS a problem.

It will happen this way again.

It was way before....you were running like a headless chicken with a blackened out guys....you were clueless as far as TE goes, so it was NOT the laptop being hot situation...that came later...you were asking basic questions of how to hit shots etc...but never mind.

I was not mocking you, just stating a relevant fact.

[Fez]

There is a deadzone, right before you hit the ball, to compensate for lag. Anything pressed or depressed in that zone is well....dead... so you need to make sure you have enough time first (move back if needed and server is throw fast ones at you) and you keep holding that bottom before the dead-zone kicks in. In fact you should be holding the button through the shot, meaning making sure you release after you CLEARLY made contact with the rackuet. Sometimes you maybe get ahead of yourself and release too early, to make sure you have time to recover....that is what hurts you.

SO you always have to adapt and balance that part, making sure you have enough time to recover, making sure you have enough time to charge, and making sure you hold through the shot.

I must confess one thing, I have no comprehension of what this "deadzone" thing is. I don't get it. Perhaps, and aptly named it is, this deadzone is the source of our issues. But it needs to be more clearly explained. Right now, i don't get it at all.

[Fez]

Stop editing posts, just make a new one....its confusing to scan for changes etc..

Once again, you made a decision that there is NO WAY To adapt...why? Cause YOU cannot adapt.

That's all i have to point out man....you don't see that? Are you the tell all measure? ...or the 3 people in this posts are? ...or the vast majority that understand how the game works and why you having issues that you are having?

To answer your other questions, YES, I was able to adjust to lag at times, at times I was not. I clearly saw WHAT lag was affecting and was able to adjust me game play to produce the angles and depth I wanted.

I am not saying that you are driven purely by your ego, you don't strike me as such.....but I do know that you are driven by extreme emotions as illustrated by your constant complains, here and in gameplay....sometimes after one little thing that didn't go your way. I still remember convincing you to keep playing, numerous times, when you were struggling to cope with the game....you were throwing at me ALL and EVERYTHING as far as arguments/theories....but then you learned to play and that went away...this is another phase, nothing more.

...and if it is not - then it is a case of boy who cried wolf...and we know how that ended. Never mind though, this is not the case, as you can see people are responding to you and bringing you possible explanations to what you maybe "feeling". Just try to put emotions on the shelf for a few minuets and examine the situation rationally....and I mean the situation you are in as far as Gameplay, not here in the forum.

You overlook djarvik, that i am not alone in this. There are many others that experience this, i talk to them in-game all the time. They are just less passionate about it and don't care enough to speak up. So i speak up and take all the heat for it. This is the principle of leadership at work. I am championing a cause. A lot of players deal with this, and I represent not just myself, but them. You speak to me like I am a lone duck, a quack, emotional loose cannon that has issues nobody else does. You wrong homeboy.

[Fez]

Also, djarvik, as ITST manager I really wish you would add the warm up to official matches. That way, at least we could find out which TE we are playing. The one where you do last second taps for defense or not....etc..
Matches vary so greatly that the warm up makes sense.

[djarvik]

Not sure if this is a good idea as an official rule (need to think about it), but if you would ask me - I would certainly agree to play a quick 2 games (so each one can test serves and returns) with you. I am sure most will agree as well.

[C4iLL]

I haven't read yet all your exchanges, but from what I experienced, lag may not have the same impact on the two players.
I provided stats proofs to VMoe about that (matches with Butcher mainly).

[Fez]

I haven't read yet all your exchanges, but from what I experienced, lag may not have the same impact on the two players.
I provided stats proofs to VMoe about that (matches with Butcher mainly).

It doesn't. You are right. I've been experimenting today. Really bizarre again. I played the dude at 190ping and 133 delay and i felt like i wasn't in any points, his ball was just too fast and mine "dead". Then I raised the delay to 200 and the match felt balanced, good rallies, varied depth. According to djarvik, this means that The Dude just didn't adapt to the higher delay, thats why it was close match. Total crap. Something else changed in that match. Something balanced. Dunno what, but it wasn't just The Dude's bad adaptation.

[J. Grilo]

Don't understand really, why you keep this discussion up. Moe said everything.

But there is 1 point what i wanna say: When someone plays TE for a long time and have most of the time good conditions, your way of playing (especially the timing) becomes a "second nature" or it goes to your blood (don't know how to say better). But when the conditions changes - namely that far, that it will "change" the timing etc. -, it's REALLY hard to deal with it, personally, i can't deal with it yet. Yesterday for example, i played against Felipe with about 215ms average (stable, rarely with lags). In this case, since i think, that he plays much more often with that conditions, he has a big advantage against me. I regognize that i made many, really many, mistakes with my backhand, when i stroke along the line (maybe 10 UE or more, only with that strike), way more than it use to be. That is unfair to me and has to change. Quite after that, i played against pidzi with a "normal" ping and when i did that one strike with the same timing, the ball went almost to the middle of the court (to say it excessive). But since Moe prepare a Thread about this problematique, i'm convidende, that we come to a good conclusion.

[djarvik]

@FezAzulay

Does lag affect players differently - of course! But is it safe to say that the lag is the same for both parities - yep.

You are reinforcing what I eluded to earlier: You are adept to play at a different delay then Dude is. That's all.

So you can either say "its not fair, I wont play with delay X" or....you can adapt and learn to play with such delay. Your choice.

What you suggesting is that since the match was more close in scoreline it is somehow more balanced.

[Fez]

@FezAzulay

Does lag affect players differently - of course! But is it safe to say that the lag is the same for both parities - yep.

You are reinforcing what I eluded to earlier: You are adept to play at a different delay then Dude is. That's all.

So you can either say "its not fair, I wont play with delay X" or....you can adapt and learn to play with such delay. Your choice.

What you suggesting is that since the match was more close in scoreline it is somehow more balanced.

NO! not the damn scoreline! Geeze. The game was like uchi said "Arctica and Antarctica". I could care less about scoreline! the game was wholly different. reasonable
I"m done talking to you. You are stubborn and impossible about this djarvik. YOu won't entertain for a second that we have somthing credible here. YOu are set in your way, unable to see anything, or hear anything. Mentioning scoreline just shows you don't listen. I'm done with you on this.