Fez returns and with the best idea in ITST history

[Uchiha Muss]

Ok, so why are made all this 36 players? Why didnt u make 10-12? Or if all players are going to use only Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, why did u make the whole roster? Lets start playing will vanilla version then. I think that ITST main theme is REALISM and see a draw of 68 - 15 Federers and 14 Djokovics, it isnt very realistic, right?

Finally someone who understands me. Nice sarcasm by the way G.Dimitrov.
Nobody is even using most of the players. It's all fed waw nole. It's like everyone is GLORY HUNTER or they actually are.
With the latest update Monfils had a massive boost. He has the best speed and stamina and impressive serve. And I'm the only one using him in RG? Recently he was a hot shot. I think most people were interested in his game.

Can't agree with Fez's idea. What, am I supposed to play with murray or federer when I hate both of them. I'd rather give WO than play with those 2.
It's like we're isolated tribe or something. We can't accept the new and the old ones are really precious and apparently it's hard to give them up. If anybody didn't know, it's really boring when you host 4 times and all of the challengers are djokovics.

[djarvik]

Vmoe is spot on.

There seem to be a confusion on who is actually playing the matches.

Characters are an extension of a Human Player, equipment if you will. Two players may use the same equipment with drastically different results and styles. If you are concerned with draws looking "pretty" - then don't look at the "equipment" - look at players user name. Do you see 12 Vmoes? (that would be horrible for any tournament )

Our job is to equalize that equipment as much as possible while preserving the distinct advantages of each piece of that equipment. Keep in mind though, while Federer's racket simply does not fit 99% of players using it, they use it never the less. This is simply fanaticism. People like to play with the Pro/Equipment of their favorite players and that is EXACTLY what draws them into ITST mod in the first place. Taking away that choice is a sure way to kill the tour.

The idea is not new, I had discussed this idea a year ago with Elias, Vmoe and the crew. I also had another idea of Draft type of a tournament, much like NBA, players would be picked one by one by humans before the tournament.

All ideas are great fun, but have no place in ITST tour, which is geared to have as mush freedom of choice as possible. That said, we are working on a second profile, ITST 2. Adding another 36 players should enrich the draws in the future. Bare with us as we go through the balancing motions

BTW - these ideas can be ran Stand Alone via the forum. I have done it with great success in TS3.

[J. Grilo]

Personally, i think the main point is: How realistic can a game be to not cut the fun part to much. What is the right balance to have a realistic game, which makes fun at the same time? Fun is the main motivation to play a game; when you overstate it (to much realism), it hasn't much to do with a "game" anymore.

Of course, It would be much better, when all characters would be played. The good thing of TE is - i believe -, that every character has his own play, to a certain degree. There would be more variety on the tour. But i found your idea not really fair (even your concept by itself is good). Surely, players like Isner, Harrison etc. would win too, but WHY? Because the human, ahead of the monitor, plays so well with him? Or because the opponent can't play with an other player?

Yes, on a long term, much people would become accustomed with that. But this is just random. If you win a competition, you never know, if you won it because you were the best.

Of course, this doesn't mean, that the current methode is the absolute best.

[Fez]

Vmoe, djarvik, the realism exists or doesn't IN-GAME, not in your bedroom on your computer chair. If you count realism OUT-OF-GAME, then make sure to put on your tennis shoes before you host a TE match, cuz its unrealstic that you are barefoot and kickin' ass on the court.

"team Fed" "Team Djok" is not an argument. Nor djarviks "12 Vmoes" thang.

And, sorry Djarvy but "itst is geared to give the most freedom"? Is that really the point? You sure you want to be held to that statement? That is far more "dangerous" than my idea. Besides, there's the principle of "freedom within a form" that you overlook. Sometimes limiting freedom of choice, frees up the game in the sense that it allows for more scenerios, more uncertainty, more depth of variation. That's freedom Cowboy.

Your remarks about "equipment" are correct in themselves. But they don't serve the game well. The entire thrust of this ideas is this....ready for it? Creating a character draw would make the game harder for everbody. And that, to me, is always worth doing. (within reason of course)

The only problem with the idea is that it wont be popular, and will likely decrease membership. But the idea itself is flawless, its more challenging. Its uses the whole game instead of just the well-worn sections of it. Kinda like humans only use a small percentage of their brain. You who detract from this idea are like people who say, "wait, I don't wanna use all my brain cuz that will create new challenges that I'm uncomforable with."

And the think about ranking, is no issue. At this point I'm sure that Richie will beat me no matter we play with. That's what's great about TE, the room for improvement is immense. It will change how the rankings play out, but not drasticall

[djarvik]

I see a break did nothing good for you...same all "blindness" to arguments of others

You provided zero arguments against Vmoe or my post, so I don't think I need to respond further. Want to be taken seriously? ...make sure you are able to swallow a lost point.

[Fez]

I see a break did nothing good for you...same all "blindness" to arguments of others

You provided zero arguments against Vmoe or my post, so I don't think I need to respond further. Want to be taken seriously? ...make sure you are able to swallow a lost point.

Geeze man, you always one-up me when it comes to acridity. You sound upset. Sorry man, I'm not mad at ya New York! "Blindness", just because I don't agree doesn't make me blind. I'm acknowledged some of it as being correct even. What you want from me? Full submission? You too sensitive man, shut down, close out, sign off too easily. Hang in there, go the rounds of debate, sweat it out. Don't be such a pussy cat.

I just edited the above. You read the italics. THAT's my argument.

[djarvik]

Not upset, disappointed. For once I was hoping for a normal discussion, brought valid points as well as Vmoe, only for you to dismiss them. Which is fine, if you do it with a good argument, but you don't. You basically provide nothing back and stand on your own. Wish fine as well, but since I don't agree - I don't feel like trying to prove it to you.


No hard feeling and I am not upset, no worries man.

"Creating a character draw would make the game harder for everybody" - and? Whats your point? You saying it is not hard enough for you? I mean why you want to make it harder?

If a player does not want to do something, making him do it is hardly going to keep him here. If anything, it will drive him away. Judging by the same stats you provide, people WANT to use these players. So taking away their wish is a good thing now?

[Fez]

Not upset, disappointed. For once I was hoping for a normal discussion, brought valid points as well as Vmoe, only for you to dismiss them. Which is fine, if you do it with a good argument, but you don't. You basically provide nothing back and stand on your own. Wish fine as well, but since I dont agree - I don't feel like trying to prove it to you.


Nor hard feeling and I am not upset, no worries man.

You get so disappointed so easily. cmon. I DID respond. You are trying to say that the user somehow is the focal point of the realism, not the game. That is just totally wrong to me. Its backwards. You are saying that the users are all different so it doesnt matter that the "equipment" isnt. I get it! Its just wrong! Because if thats the case, why create different characters at all? You could have only Feds in the game, and use your same argument to justify it.

[djarvik]

The user is the focal point of this site. You are posing YOUR wishes as a general consensus. I tend to think you are WAY off.

Reason for different characters, so Fans can pick their favorite - nothing more.

[Fez]

Not upset, disappointed. For once I was hoping for a normal discussion, brought valid points as well as Vmoe, only for you to dismiss them. Which is fine, if you do it with a good argument, but you don't. You basically provide nothing back and stand on your own. Wish fine as well, but since I don't agree - I don't feel like trying to prove it to you.


No hard feeling and I am not upset, no worries man.

"Creating a character draw would make the game harder for everybody" - and? Whats your point? You saying it is not hard enough for you? I mean why you want to make it harder?

If a player does not want to do something, making him do it is hardly going to keep him here. If anything, it will drive him away. Judging by the same stats you provide, people WANT to use these players. So taking away their wish is a good thing now?

NO! I said multiple times, that's the problem, popularity! who's not listening? Yes, the idea can't survive in the current climate. Yes. But the idea is good.

[C4iLL]

The point is ITST Tour is a serious competition website. What you propose would set a less serious competition, less "professionnal" in a way. The ranking would become completely useless : imagine a top player, who always gets Harisson in every tournaments, he will be out of top 20. In the other hand, imagine an average guy, always having Fed, he will be top10.

But would he really deserve to be a top10 ? Absolutely no : no one will consider him as a top10, neither him. So what's the point to set up a ranking anymore ? I remind you that ITST is a virtual ATP tour, with at his heart, a ranking and a system of points :/

[Fez]

The user is the focal point of this site. You are posing YOUR wishes as a general consensus. I tend to think you are WAY off.

Reason for different characters, so Fans can pick their favorite - nothing more.

Ok. thank you. Suggestion, include this in the mission statement of ITST then:

"Our mission is that you can pick your faves, at the expense of realism".

Then, at least it'd be full disclosure.

[Fez]

The point is ITST Tour is a serious competition website. What you propose would set a less serious competition, less "professionnal" in a way. The ranking would become completely useless : imagine a top player, who always gets Harisson in every tournaments, he will be out of top 20. In the other hand, imagine an average guy, always having Fed, he will be top10.

But would he really deserve to be a top10 ? Absolutely no : no one will consider him as a top10, neither him. So what's the point to set up a ranking anymore ? I remind you that ITST is a virtual ATP tour, with at his heart, a ranking and a system of points :/

There is no "always" in randomized generation bub.

[djarvik]

Ok. thank you. Suggestion, include this in the mission statement of ITST then:

"Our mission is that you can pick your faves, at the expense of realism".

Then, at least it'd be full disclosure.

Way better than:

"We are so realistic, we TELL you who to use, even if you hate that player and love another, why? Cause we care more about Good looking Draws than you, the user of this site. Welcome BTW!"

[djarvik]

There is no "always" in randomized generation bub.

There is no consistency either.