Aegon International, Eastburne 2012

[Elias]

Do you finish it for Wimbledon?

Not sure honestly but maybe can we delay the tournament start a bit (some days) for it ?

It would be a good idea. My match in AEGON was just an ace battle. Federer serving at 220 Km/h regularly it´s unrealistic.

Elias, what do you think about lowering the service power and precision and increasing consistency? You would have a better power average without a fantastic top speed, but people might have to think better before going to the lines on 1st serve...

well no we have to maintain a consistency <= power. Because how the game mechanics works, to maintain a max first serve %.
That is, in TE, if serve power = serve consistency, you have around 70% chances of success on a b1+b2 serve.

So, lowering power obviously yes, but also changing all consistencies to be, equal, or lower (how much will depend on real players average firsts serve %) than power, to enforce a 70% (or lower) first serves average max during a match. The characters will be differenciated with their precision then, Federer still having a high precision compared to some other chars, as an example.

Setting up high consistencies (much higher than power) , the way the game works, you would end with 80-90% firsts, and also, even lowering power, the firsts speeds will most of the time reach the high speed boundaries tied to this power

Oh, I thought that consistency would just keep the average speed high or low, while precision would determine the "in/out" percentage of risk serve. So, to be honest, I didn´t understand the precision´s role in the mechanis of the game.

The precision mostly has an influence on your aiming. the higher the precision is relatively to power, the more slower and precise will be your 'virtual' aiming cross (eg holding left or right button to aim on the lines).

from the doc :

Like the forehand and the backhand, the service precision is relative to its power: having 80% in power and 70% in precision will give you as much precision in your serve as having 50% in power and 40% in precision.

[PerfectAce]

Do you finish it for Wimbledon?

Not sure honestly but maybe can we delay the tournament start a bit (some days) for it ?

It would be a good idea. My match in AEGON was just an ace battle. Federer serving at 220 Km/h regularly it´s unrealistic.

Elias, what do you think about lowering the service power and precision and increasing consistency? You would have a better power average without a fantastic top speed, but people might have to think better before going to the lines on 1st serve...

All right. Thanks mate.

well no we have to maintain a consistency <= power. Because how the game mechanics works, to maintain a max first serve %.
That is, in TE, if serve power = serve consistency, you have around 70% chances of success on a b1+b2 serve.

So, lowering power obviously yes, but also changing all consistencies to be, equal, or lower (how much will depend on real players average firsts serve %) than power, to enforce a 70% (or lower) first serves average max during a match. The characters will be differenciated with their precision then, Federer still having a high precision compared to some other chars, as an example.

Setting up high consistencies (much higher than power) , the way the game works, you would end with 80-90% firsts, and also, even lowering power, the firsts speeds will most of the time reach the high speed boundaries tied to this power

Oh, I thought that consistency would just keep the average speed high or low, while precision would determine the "in/out" percentage of risk serve. So, to be honest, I didn´t understand the precision´s role in the mechanis of the game.

The precision mostly has an influence on your aiming. the higher the precision is relatively to power, the more slower and precise will be your 'virtual' aiming cross (eg holding left or right button to aim on the lines).

from the doc :

Like the forehand and the backhand, the service precision is relative to its power: having 80% in power and 70% in precision will give you as much precision in your serve as having 50% in power and 40% in precision.

[tonigno]

I won 6-3 6/7 7/6 with L Sanchez MD but....i have to take a athletic trainer: after the first set my body wither. This evening lag and desync like rain. Compliments to Sanchez.....it was hard.

[TWM-Fox]

Congrats to you ! Looks like you kind improve ! Good luck for the upcoming tour and Wimbeldon

[VMoe86]

A random match : http://2011.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/ ... 701ms.html ...

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Average 1st Serve Speed    118 MPH   117 MPH
1st Serve %         64 of 82 = 78 %   69 of 95 = 73 %

Good one. These are stats you get with b1 serves and I have no problem with it and second serves are slow, but the problem is more with our roster and the b1+b2 serve being too good in that roster (on some characters), so that b1 serves are second serves for some players. I don't abuse our roster in this way.

[L Sanchez MD]

A random match : http://2011.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/ ... 701ms.html ...

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Average 1st Serve Speed    118 MPH   117 MPH
1st Serve %         64 of 82 = 78 %   69 of 95 = 73 %

Good one. These are stats you get with b1 serves and I have no problem with it and second serves are slow, but the problem is more with our roster and the b1+b2 serve being too good in that roster (on some characters), so that b1 serves are second serves for some players. I don't abuse our roster in this way.

Surely what serve you use is totally up to you?
If you use b1+b2 for your second serve, it'll be super fast if it goes in, but you're going to double fault a LOT. The system sort of regulates itself.

[VMoe86]

Surely what serve you use is totally up to you?
If you use b1+b2 for your second serve, it'll be super fast if it goes in, but you're going to double fault a LOT. The system sort of regulates itself.

Just look at the stats I posted in here: Average 1st serve speed 121 mph (mainly b1+b2 serves), average 2nd serve speed 112 mph (mainly b1 serves) with only 5 double faults -- self-regulation

Federer had an average 1st (!) serve speed of 114 mph last year against Tsonga in Wimbledon and 98 mph average 2nd serve speed (121 mph and 95 mph for Tsonga).

The b1+b2 serve as first serve should only be possible rarely (how often do you see a top player getting his fastest serve in?), the b1 serve as first serve should go in around 70% for a good server (and not 80% as it is currently possible with Federer), but as second serve these should be more risky.

[Ugadalou]

Well I don't know if it had to do with the stats,but when I started playing the game it looked pretty obvious that 1st serve ws b1+b1 (powerful almost 60% in) , b1 was destined to be 2nd serve (pretty consistent) and b2 only used for 100% safe serve around 150-160km.
I never thought of it as abusing or unfair and I have the impression almost everyone in here served that way...
Most atp pros have a 60-80% of 1st serve points won in every match.

[Elias]

The b1+b2 serve as first serve should only be possible rarely (how often do you see a top player getting his fastest serve in?), the b1 serve as first serve should go in around 70% for a good server (and not 80% as it is currently possible with Federer), but as second serve these should be more risky.

This is not possible to do regarding the actual game mechanics.
What is doeable is to have b1+b2 serves getting in around 70%. (and then b1 85%), when power=consistency, or less if consistency<power, but this also impacts the b1% as well, and also first serve speed mean speed range.

Lowering power then. About average speed i'm more watching the average in a good match than in a year. i think federer was around 115mph for the whole us open 2011, sometimes finishing a match @ 117/118 then. this still means a 68 serve power only

[VMoe86]

This is not possible to do regarding the actual game mechanics.

I know, but that's why I am vocal about it -- maybe we will see it in an update.

With the rest of your post I agree (and also tested your suggestions, which are good).

@Ugadalou: Winning 60% - 80% of 1st serve points is not too difficult to achieve even with slower first serve speed (and I do it, also my 2nd serve winning % is good, looking at my matches against Elias and Otlichno at Roland Garros) -- you then have to back it up with good play, though. The first serve is there to set up easy points or have an immediate advantage in the following rally.

[L Sanchez MD]

Using b1+b2 (mostly) as first serve with Federer, I get about 60% first serves in, so it seems fair in that regard.
I agree the power needs to lower.

[Elias]

Elias, let me know how much time you need.

i'll try to finish tonight. 3-4 days delay to do some live tests and some last tuning should be ok.

[Ugadalou]

Quarterfinal match vs D.Ornelas, 6-3/6-4.We played with old stats so still pretty much serve oriented.David played with smart tactics in the point and mixed it up with slices,approach shots and flat shots, but had trouble reading my serve which wasn't on a good day though.
Stats:

[Ugadalou]

Semifinal match against tonigno 7-6/6-7/6-2.
The match was very close from beginning to end.Although we played with the new stats, it was very serve oriented and very few chances to break were presented to any player.

The 1st set I think was of high quality with very few errors and smart tactics.Both had 1-2 chances to break but the set was decided by a tie-break.

Same happened with the 2nd set,though the tennis was worse and more about winning the points.The tie-break was a heart-break we both found huge serves when it mattered most and tonigno won it by finally making a winning passing shot with the score 15-13!

Third set looked like same story all over again until he had a bad service game and a few unforced errors creeped in and I finally managed to break.

Good match congratulations to my opponent for improving so match over the last times we played.He is one to watch for and a serious contender.

I'm very excited and pumped up for my first final,after losing in 7 semi-finals it looks like I broke the curse!

Dmo uploaded in the replay section.
Stats:

[eliomelma]

lost 6-2 6-4 against TWM-fox. i was Soderling and he was federer. So with soderling against a good player as him i have no chance. But we played with new stats and from last meeting between us the match was very funny, in the second i had break points, he hits a few aces, last time with old stats his serve was unreturnable and scored many aces. i was funny to play with this stats, and i felt that if my serve had worked i can compete more agaist him. So let's use new stats please, more funny!