RG delay and ranking

[inseedious]

Since RG is gonna have a few days delay, I think it's a good chance to finish all tourneys that should end by the end of May. Honestly, even if I don't care about ranking, it would be annoying to see RG starting with a "false" ranking, especially now. In fact, there are some high ranked players who are not playing recently and are defending some clay points in these weeks, while there are some players like butcher or vramvrim who deserve a really higher ranking now. It would be very annoying if there will be a matchup like butcher vs vramvrim at 2nd round (or even 3rd), while some other lucky average players will reach QF by drawing a top ten who's not playing recently, don't you think so?

[VMoe86]

Only Madrid points have a realistic chance of making it into ranking before RG Draw is out: Hopefully the SFs are played today, then the final can take place tomorrow or on Wednesday.

[C4iLL]

I definitely agree with Inseedious even if it would not be in my interest to say that regarding the points. Deadline should be cut for RG and M1000. If someone can't play : WO, no pity !!!

[VMoe86]

I definitely agree with Inseedious even if it would not be in my interest to say that regarding the points. Deadline should be cut for RG and M1000. If someone can't play : WO, no pity !!!

Points from last year for Madrid AND Rome have already been removed, by the way. It is only about adding this year's points of Madrid.

[costiiforzaa]

I definitely agree with Inseedious even if it would not be in my interest to say that regarding the points. Deadline should be cut for RG and M1000. If someone can't play : WO, no pity !!!

TOTALLY DISAGREE!

[inseedious]

Only Madrid points have a realistic chance of making it into ranking before RG Draw is out: Hopefully the SFs are played today, then the final can take place tomorrow or on Wednesday.

I think there's too much time to play the first 2 rounds (9 days!!). There should be 3 days to play every round, except SF and F, who should keep on having 2 days. And the deadlines should be less flexible, one day extension only if the players concretely tried to accord a time to play, two days extensions should be very rare and just for SF/F, or at least for people who won't be at home in several days in a row and advice the host at the beginning of the tourney. With this settings, Rome would end tomorrow, even today if the first round started on Sunday, as the real one. It's in players' interest to even play some reserve matches to respect the deadline. Honestly, when I see some challengers/futures still going on after more or less 1 week from their deadlines, I just see a disrespect towards the tour.

P.S.: I know it's difficult for the hosts to manage so much guys in a few time, especially during the first rounds, but this problem can be solved just assigning the top draw to a host and the bottom draw to another one.

[VMoe86]

I think there's too much time to play the first 2 rounds (9 days!!). There should be 3 days to play every round, except SF and F, who should keep on having 2 days. And the deadlines should be less flexible, one day extension only if the players concretely tried to accord a time to play, two days extensions should be very rare and just for SF/F, or at least for people who won't be at home in several days in a row and advice the host at the beginning of the tourney. With this settings, Rome would end tomorrow, even today if the first round started on Sunday, as the real one. It's in players' interest to even play some reserve matches to respect the deadline. Honestly, when I see some challengers/futures still going on after more or less 1 week from their deadlines, I just see a disrespect towards the tour.

In fact, tournaments starting on Friday have 7 to 8 days for the first round and still end up WO or No Match sometimes... The longer deadlines in the first rounds are mainly for those who reach the late stages of multiple tournaments in a row, so that you can somehow fit your QF/SF/F matches in one tournament with R32 or R16 in another one. Reserve matches are maybe an option.

P.S.: I know it's difficult for the hosts to manage so much guys in a few time, especially during the first rounds, but this problem can be solved just assigning the top draw to a host and the bottom draw to another one.

Making the decisions is usually not the problem: People not being happy with a decision are far more time-consuming (not just for the host of the tournament but also for other hosts ) because they will send the host (and other hosts) PMs about them not being happy.

[BrushedBigJJ]

I definitely agree with Inseedious even if it would not be in my interest to say that regarding the points. Deadline should be cut for RG and M1000. If someone can't play : WO, no pity !!!

I can't believe it, but I mostly agree with c4ill and this overall discussion. I'm betting whoever does the points spends a great deal of time doing them. With that said I think there are two parts of the season to get the points done (if possible) to make sure the seeding is right, number 1 would be getting the 3 masters before the French open, and 2 would be the two masters series before the US Open. And if it were to come up getting the French points done for Wimbeldon.

[C4iLL]

Only Madrid points have a realistic chance of making it into ranking before RG Draw is out: Hopefully the SFs are played today, then the final can take place tomorrow or on Wednesday.

I think there's too much time to play the first 2 rounds (9 days!!). There should be 3 days to play every round, except SF and F, who should keep on having 2 days. And the deadlines should be less flexible, one day extension only if the players concretely tried to accord a time to play, two days extensions should be very rare and just for SF/F, or at least for people who won't be at home in several days in a row and advice the host at the beginning of the tourney. With this settings, Rome would end tomorrow, even today if the first round started on Sunday, as the real one. It's in players' interest to even play some reserve matches to respect the deadline. Honestly, when I see some challengers/futures still going on after more or less 1 week from their deadlines, I just see a disrespect towards the tour.

P.S.: I know it's difficult for the hosts to manage so much guys in a few time, especially during the first rounds, but this problem can be solved just assigning the top draw to a host and the bottom draw to another one.

I agree !!! Let's do a deadline revolution !!! Mutant you should join this cause

[inseedious]

In fact, tournaments starting on Friday have 7 to 8 days for the first round and still end up WO or No Match sometimes... The longer deadlines in the first rounds are mainly for those who reach the late stages of multiple tournaments in a row, so that you can somehow fit your QF/SF/F matches in one tournament with R32 or R16 in another one. Reserve matches are maybe an option.

I understand this, but I think that making tourneys less long will result in less, or almost zero, concatenations between the last rounds of a toruney and the first rounds of the following one.

[djarvik]

I understand this, but I think that making tourneys less long will result in less, or almost zero, concatenations between the last rounds of a toruney and the first rounds of the following one.

Calculate again. R16, QF, SF, F. 3 + 3 +2 + 2 = 10 > 7 (days of the week)

So in best case scenario AND with only R16 - you are looking at 3 day overlap.


Lets not reinvent the wheel. It has been working for almost 10 years now.... we do need to be more strict on deadlines though.

[inseedious]

Lets not reinvent the wheel. It has been working for almost 10 years now.... we do need to be more strict on deadlines though.

That would still be an important step, but it depends mainly on players, they're sometimes too lazy
However yeah, this is working for a very long time, but I think this tour is among (or maybe the) most realistic ones, so I think that a little deadline cut would let us play a tourney with a one week old rank, that is not bad at all, since before GSs there are just small tourneys.

[ddotson]

I agree -- I am usually trying to schedule a 1r match right away, then inevitably end up having to wait at least a week to play a 2r match because my 2r opponent is waiting on a walkover from a non-responsive player. If someone's not going to respond within 3 days, they're probably not responding at all, so we should definitely cut down the 1R deadlines.

[ddotson]

Any word on when this tournament will start? Maybe we need to accept that tourneys are going to lag and not hold off on starting things on schedule.

[djarvik]

Will be started late tonight.