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Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:52

Valid for TE 2013 + ITST Mod 1.12
Player's Overall ability.

Almagro 1147
Baghdatis 1118
Berdych 1133
Cilic 1131
Davydenko 1034
Del Potro 1095
Dimitrov 1118
Djokovic 1137
Dolgopolov 1102
Federer 1186
Ferrer 1067
Fish 1151
Gasquet 1132
Goffin 1058
Gulbis 1082
Haas 1093
Harrison 1091
Isner 1064
Kohlshreiber 1093
Llodra 1123
Lopez 1143
Melzer 1079
Monfils 1099
Murray 1187
Nadal 1111
Nalbandian 1111
Nishikori 1088
Raonic 1224
Simon 1076
Stepanek 1097
Tipsarevic 1113
Tomic 1013
Tsonga 1174
Verdasco 1141
Wawrinka 1189
Youzhny 1095
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:57

These are something that I found from the Character Sheet. I don't know how relevant or important this is, but I just wanted to post it somewhere so I could always come and have a look. I repeat, this is just a mere numbers that I found. Don't blame me for revealing the truth. In fact if you look closely you can see that TOP 4 players are Raonic, Wawrinka, Federer, Murray. That's not as real as it should be. I'm a former FIFA & PES player so overall ability is instinctively necessary for me. For example in both of those football games Messi & Ronaldo have impressive overall score that reflects the real life. Obviously EA and KONAMI are big companies that can afford precise number but still, it's something for TE 2013. So yeah have a look...
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby inseedious » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:42

There are some stats that are a lot more important than others, so these numbers don't tell the truth. A defender with 60% volley stat but 80% speed is way worse (generally) than a defender with 40% volley stat and 90% speed. Even if the first one can have a bigger number in overall stats.
It's not a case that the players who have the highest overall stats are all round players (except murray, who has other impressive numbers).
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 19:09

inseedious wrote:There are some stats that are a lot more important than others, so these numbers don't tell the truth. A defender with 60% volley stat but 80% speed is way worse (generally) than a defender with 40% volley stat and 90% speed. Even if the first one can have a bigger number in overall stats.
It's not a case that the players who have the highest overall stats are all round players (except murray, who has other impressive numbers).


Well obviously there will be more important stats since it's just an averaged out stats after all. But why do you have to bring up defender as an example and talk about volleying crap. What kind of defender needs volley skills. On top of that volley skills are 3rd rate skills. Serve, fore/backhand are highly prioritised. Then comes slice, net presence skills. after that volleying, smash, return. Just analyse Raonic. He has a massive serve and one of the best forehands on ITST tour. His backhand is inferior but still better than others. His speed is lower than stamina so more endurance for him. Wawrinka definitely has all around skills. I'm not saying his an all-around player but his stats, all of them are pretty good. Murray has better top spin than other 2. So he has a little bit more time and that justifies it. His dropshot skill is amazing, which I think is the same for slice. Slices are really nice if you combine them with short slice. In a way overall stats have more meaning than you think. I've played with all of those 4 players and I know from a feeling that they're indeed better. Even djokovic is not a luxury player for me.
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby C4iLL » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 19:23

The overall ability is completely irrelevant to make decisions, I don't see the point to think about this ^^
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 20:38

C4iLL wrote:The overall ability is completely irrelevant to make decisions, I don't see the point to think about this ^^

Maybe you don't make your decisions based on overall ability. But it's helpful. It's just that overall ability is hidden. It's not exposed like an individual skills. I doubt you even had a look at it before. Even if you did you probably just dismissed.That's okay but when you look at the worst-average-best players from the list my point does a make sense. I can troll serve fire 1+2 with raonic so much that even the best players will have trouble. For TE 13, for a virtual tennis game those stats describe the game pretty much just like it is. That's why it's at least more important than just a number based on a math.
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby C4iLL » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:27

The only and best analysis, you can't deny it, it's just looking at the stats independendly each other
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 13:09

C4iLL wrote:The only and best analysis, you can't deny it, it's just looking at the stats independendly each other


I didn't deny it. I told you guys that it's just something I found and it looks useful. I sorta proved my point with top 4 players being easy to play. Surely you'll be looking at individual stats, because you might need a player that is required for your game style. At the end of the day, a complete noob, ignorant can join the tour, have a look at this thread and choose his players. He won't have trouble playing with them
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby inseedious » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:04

overall ability is not hidden, you can see it just through the remaining skills points of each player (the lower it is, the higher overall ability is), but it's just useless. I was talking about volleying skills because there are several stats influencing volleys so almost all good volleyers have high overall ability
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 19:24

I know it's not hidden. But you just don't see it all the time. How many of you have actually went and had a look at overall stats? In the character sheet page you specifically should look and press the "Player Statistics" button on the top left corner.
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby C4iLL » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:17

What is sure is that this is the kind of initiatives that can be helpful. If you want to work on something about characters, there is a ranking about the points earned by each characters since the beginning of the tour. It has not beed updated for a while. It would be cool if you update it :)
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 23:31

C4iLL wrote:What is sure is that this is the kind of initiatives that can be helpful. If you want to work on something about characters, there is a ranking about the points earned by each characters since the beginning of the tour. It has not beed updated for a while. It would be cool if you update it :)


I'm not sure what points you're talking about. Is it the one that's above preview and auto-position in the Character Sheet?
or are you talking about a ranking/seed points that has not been updated since 23rd of February? I can start from easy things or things that doesn't require much knowledge about internals of the ITST forums. Come to think of it I've to release the points of 36 players from Character Sheet. That also must be something worth looking at.
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby C4iLL » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:08

It's a thread I don't manage to find, who count the points earned by every characters of the roster in the ITST Tour.
For instance : if someone wins an atp250 with Fed, Fed gets 250 points.

It's in other terms, an itst ranking focus on the characters, not on the players who use them. It was interesting coz it showed which character was the most successfull or the most used. It has not been updated since US Open I think, and thus the thread has perhaps disappeared ?
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby VMoe86 » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:30

Here is the thread: http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1047&t=16954

So, Uchiha, as a homework: Please update this list. :mrgreen: Maybe not necessary -- if I recall it correctly this has been included into the ITST site (not visible for us) and they can have this data.
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Re: Overall Skills/Statistics of 36 players!!

Postby Uchiha Muss » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:42

Ok. Just give me 2-3 days to figure out what I'm doing and I also need time after all. I'll try to do what you said and will report the outcome.
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