BNP Paribas Masters

[Elias]

- Doing this would make an already overpowered Nadal, even more so


- A needed change: switching to elite.

- i think VMoe ment about hitting winners from (against) top spin shots. So more winners against Nadal shots (i'm not sure but i think there is maybe already a feature allowing this depending the shoulder height, eg: tall chars having it easyer to hit accels against top spins/high balls, not sure, to be checked).

- Elite.. can't agree more, it's becoming a bit monotonous/boring right now, like all matches looks like the same, tactically, like a scripted feeling. Mainly because of the auto-step back in my opinion. This passive auto-movement assist is the worst addition i saw in TE since i started to play this game, really disappointed about it, not talking about the fact it's countering the inertia factor, and in a bad way, leading to less movement freedom, and that doesn't seem to help much pad users.. , but messes with "little steps", precise positionning (wich is almost not possible with a pad, wich doesn't allow a pad user to notice the difference..). TE lost noticeably some subtelty in control depth there, and i'm pretty sad about this. Now i'm feeling like i'm enforced to be a joypad user using a keyboard, in some way : there is some shots you can't do (or prepare) the same way, as quickly/lately as it was possible before. So less differences between players and their way to control the game, less style differences (i'm not talking about character styles, but human player control style, yes, they can be really varied, allowing movement freedom, that is).

So now some players are not too much bothered, when some others are annoyed and have to adapt, because those people had a different control style and movement, wich also means the game was more rich and varied before, due to these differences.

Though about the reach and movement, at least we can balance it tweaking the speed stats and surfaces, hopefully.

1.0e + Elite was a beauty, with 1.0f, it's still better and more tactical than Sim, but not as good as it used to be, due to this loss in positionning adjustments (and still low/average skilled players may not like it). Just decreasing forward/left/right speed conversion would have been enough to improve 1.0e imo.

[VMoe86]

So now some players are not to much bothered, when some others are annoyed and have to adapt, because those people had a different control style and movement, wich also means the game was more rich and varied before, due to these differences.

It's like Blue Clay at Madrid vs. Red Clay at Rome. Remember how Djokovic and Nadal complained that they cannot move there as they like? Fed's movement is universal, same seems apply to some users at TE.

About the rest, I think it is better to keep our plans private, because some here do not read carefully (you pointed out what I meant with "easier to hit winners off top spin shots on the FH side" and the other point I was talking about majority of BHs in the roster and used Federer's as example). In fact, demanding "Elite" and saying "Fed's BH is ok as it is." does not compute. The priority for the next update is the roster, not just speed/power, but also another problem which has not been mentioned by a single user here (and I won't spoil anything). Then we can think about Elite.

[Elias]

It's like Blue Clay at Madrid vs. Red Clay at Rome. Remember how Djokovic and Nadal complained that they cannot move there as they like? Fed's movement is universal, same seems apply to some users at TE.

I don't mind having to adapt to any gameplay. But don't miss the main point, i'm talking about a feature impoverishing the control depth. You know i'm a competitor and somewhat perfectionnist, so i want a perfect game for a perfect Tour

It fits the way you're controlling the game. There was either ways. You're fine with it. okay, think wider ? . that's not my point.

(you pointed out what I meant with "easier to hit winners off top spin shots on the FH side" and the other point I was talking about majority of BHs in the roster and used Federer's as example).

You pointed it yourself in a previous post. I just re-phrased it because i think Algo got it wrong, regarding his answer.

I think it's good to post some thoughts sometimes about the balance and gameplay, at the end of a tournament. As you see it leads to some interesting comments. when the players doesn't react, provoke their reactions ? We need more active reporting.

[VMoe86]

I don't mind having to adapt to any gameplay. But don't miss the main point, i'm talking about a feature impoverishing the control depth. You know i'm a competitor and perfectionnist, so i want a perfect game for a perfect Tour

It fits the way you're controlling the game. There was either ways. You're fine with it. okay, think wider ? . that's not my point.

I know your point, I just found it funny that such things also happen in real tennis (changes to which you have to adapt, different movement). I'd rather have 1.0e here (not just to save time spent on speed/power balancing ). In real tennis you are not forced to do something the "text book style", so one should not be forced in TE to move in a specific way, either.

I think it's good to post some thoughts sometimes about the balance and gameplay, at the end of a tournament. As you see it leads to some interesting comments. when the players doesn't react, provoke their reactions We need active reporting.

There is a difference between "I think..." and "I think..., because of...". Thoughts without arguments are not that useful to me. I'm not surprised that we have little active reporting: After all, we provide an "exam" and "students" rarely complain about "easy" exams. Typically they complain about exams of others being "too easy". I'm sure you get the analogies.

[manutoo]

Another thing djarvik once suggested is a gameplay change: The longer you charge the top spin shot, the more spin you will create. So, if you don't have much time to prepare your top spin shot, it won't have that much spin (for example on the run) on it and will be easier to attack.

It's already the case, but defender with high topspin skill starts higher & charge faster than other styles with low topspin skill.

The more spin you put on it, the shorter the ball should be, but also harder to attack.

It's already what's doing the short strike.

[C4iLL]

Yep I must admit I had the feeling that when you pressed the top spin shot longer, you got more spin when I played with Nadal.
Even with Llodra, I create more spin by preparing more.

[Florian]

There it is, BNP Paribas Masters Final. Enjoy.