Auto-positioning

[Ary1g]

What are the thoughts about this?

The reason I want to bring up this subject is because I've tried with auto-positioning on fast, and I like that you can return serve more easily from the baseline than with slow and also it becomes easier to compete with higher computer settings. For instance, I had a close match against Berdych with Federer on Master 5 with fast auto-pos, when I were only able to be competetive against him on Junior 10 without.

I really don't like to return from far behind the baseline, but without fast auto-pos, you have no chance of even getting close to the serves when returning from the baseline.

In addition, it would make the transition from TS4 to TE a lot easier for many players. Which could further increase the participation in the tour.

However, again, what are your thoughts? I have maybe played this game for 15-20 hours now, so I'm still a noob

[Elias]

Well, in my opinion fast autopos is an ugly arcade feeling
Especially it moves your char way to much preparing your shots during the rallies, and even prevents your ability to hit the ball earlyer deliberately.
If medium autopos was available, only for returning serves and not during the rallies i would probably be favorable to it.

When working on balance though we'll probably review serves speed, also considering that last TE build introduced a bit more inertia at movement start, we may decide to lower serve power, wich is probably a bit too high now.

[Ary1g]

It probably feels a little more arcade, but it's a much more satisfying and gives a much easier learning curve for new players(like me)

Your point about hitting balls deliberately early makes a lot of sense though

I think serve speeds are a bit fast, but I get most annoyed by 2nd serves dead on the lines..

Thought about lowering serve consistency? Making it more dangerous to go for b1+b2 serves, forcing people to use more consistent and slower b1 or b2 serves.

[Elias]

Thought about lowering serve consistency? Making it more dangerous to go for b1+b2 serves, forcing people to use more consistent and slower b1 or b2 serves.

Yes, we will definitely lower serve consistencies to be always <= serve power, to enforce a max first serve % around 70%. (The serve is indeed only partly skill (human control) based, it's also chance based, b1+b2 has 70% (b1 is 85%) of success if consistency = power, and lower chances is consistency is lower than power)

[VMoe86]

It probably feels a little more arcade, but it's a much more satisfying and gives a much easier learning curve for new players(like me)

A little more? It makes it a lot more arcade. No one prevents you from playing like this offline, but being responsible for good positioning yourself is what makes Tennis Elbow on Slow Auto-Positoning so great. I've started playing with Slow Auto-Positioning and Elite Controls at the beginning -- the most difficult learning curve you get in Tennis Elbow, but it is worth it.

Regarding return, some time ago I suggested a Return Auto-Positioning option for the game. In my opinion it should be in between Slow and Medium Auto-Positioning for the return. However, if you are returning from the standard position the game puts you in on return, I'm convinced you can get almost every serve back into play if you are very focused. Some returns may be short, but that's realistic.

One aspect about Tennis Elbow I like is the fact that a good serve puts you in command of the rally or that a good return is great chance to win the point. We should be careful about making this game too much about rallying ability of the characters used, which making returns easier and serves less effective would result into.

[C4iLL]

With a good training in auto-pos you gonna progressively switch to non-auto pos

For me it was a problem as beginning, but after several hours of matches, it's no longer a problem today.

[djarvik]

I think we should change the rules to accommodate Ary......wait a minute, deja vu much?

Listen to what Ary says, then do the opposite.

[C4iLL]

Poor Ary lol ^^

[Ary1g]

My reason for making this thread was to question this detail in the game. I'm not at all very much into TE, but I think that more people would get a better first impression when trying the game using fast repositioning than slow. It handles easier for beginners. It plays a little more similar to TS4 which is the most popular tour on ITST. How many TE active players are there now? 10? 15?

I think we should change the rules to accommodate Ary......wait a minute, deja vu much?

Listen to what Ary says, then do the opposite.

None of my suggestions here have ever been about making rules to fit my game, Djarvik! That is insulting to me. I'm getting tired of your attitude against me, saying bad things about me, painting a picture of someone I'm not! Show me some normal respect at least. You can talk bad about my suggestions as much as you like, but attacking my purposes and person is not something I will tolerate.

You can talk bad about me on the private message system all you like, that's your choice and opinion. However, here on the forum, it's plain against the forum rules of ITST:

- While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters.

Please remove your post or rephrase it to make sense to my intention of this thread.

[eliomelma]

I Think that the Djarvik's post was for funny, was a joke

[VMoe86]

It plays a little more similar to TS4 which is the most popular tour on ITST. How many TE active players are there now? 10? 15?

So you want to make TE worse? Great idea, chapeau.

[C4iLL]

If they are so few people playing TE, it's just because the tour is not promoted efficiently. Not because the game isn't good.

[eliomelma]

If they are so few people playing TE, it's just because the tour is not promoted efficiently. Not because the game isn't good.

Really true 100% !
But with new light patch that make easy the installation of TE and some videos uploaded on you tube the tour raise sure!

[djarvik]

None of my suggestions here have ever been about making rules to fit my game, Djarvik!

I beg to differ, ALL of your suggestions were driven by your inability to deal with the game, in one shape or another. Whats more, ALL your suggestions failed. This tells me you have issues dealing with your failure and you have acceptance issues, as well as self esteem issues.

This was a simple and quite obvious joke, to most, but not you. I say obvious not because it obviously was a joke, but that your post, with rules suggestions, again, is very obvious.

Stop trying to change ITST. If any change will happen, it wont be driven by you, that I can guarantee you personally.

Now tell me how I insulted you again. Truth hurts my friend.

[djarvik]

If they are so few people playing TE, it's just because the tour is not promoted efficiently. Not because the game isn't good.

That is spot on.

Just FYI, I will send out a mass email to our members again, once Elias and Vmoe tell me they are ready with the patch. Another thing we can do is promotional video for youtube. We can have all the characters hit their signature shots/plays (from our roster) and create a collage/intro with that.

Sorta like this: Federer hitting inside-out forehand winner, Gasquet hitting a backhand winner, Isner hitting an Ace, DePo hitting 2-3 forehands in a raw and wins the point...etc... Put nice music over it.