movement online matches

[Rusty96]

I am using ps4 controller and I feel like i hit the ball really well normally but my big problem is to cover the court when moving both in rallies and on return. I feel that I often build quite a lot of pressure in some rallies vs high ranked player but they even get back any ball when i hit the lines left/right and when they get on top of the rally they need 1 average shot, maximum 2 to close out the point. Even when I play vs not skilled players i get aced unbelievably often, sometimes more than 10 aces a set and probably another 10 free points with serve. Last match vs jobru I won 6-3 6-3 i got aced 17 times. I was much better in rallies because I hit the ball a lot better due to better positioning when I have time but I really don't understand why I move so awful. I mean Lleyton Hewitt is probably one of the fastest players in the mod.

[FEDERER2]

It's your reaction time. You honestly can't hit the ball well with out a great sense of movement. But honestly my tip is to 1) Never give up a rally ever, always try to get to that seemingly impossible ball, and 2) (I noticed while playing a set vs inseedious last week) as soon as the ball is hit, they are there to cover it (reaction time). This makes room for more counters. Honestly, i wouldnt even call myself a great groundstroker. And honestly, most of the people who arent in the top 30, can't hit groundstroke SUPER well, but they recognize their flaws and fix them. Thats what u have to do, analyze your game, and try to fix it, because if u can hit groundstrokes well, it means you move well which according to what u say, this is not the case. My most important thing to get out of this is not to focus on your strengths at your level, but to analyze your weakness and try to fix them. And as soon as the ball is hit, cover it.

Hope this helps

[Rusty96]

I can hit the ball well when I am on top of the rally because then ( at least normally) the opponents shot lacks of accuracy and sometimes also of speed so i have more time to position myself well. I think I know how i have to be positioned to the ball to produce good shots but my problem is that I am not fast enough to get to the balls when I play open rallies or am in the defense. I see that my player is not reacting to 100% when i change direction. Especially when I change direction left/right it seems like he needs as much time to change direction + move 1 meter to the other side as he would have needed to just continue running 10 meters to the other side without changing direction.

I think that from my side I really don't know how it should be possible to react faster. I always focus the ball when the opponent hits it and immidently move the stick to the right direction when i see the direction of the ball. I don't know how I should improve this. I play this game for 3/4 of a year now but i couldn't improve the reaction...

[djarvik]

Common denominator of payers mentioned by inseed:

Richie - first tour match November 2012 - Nearly 3 years playing.
Vramvrim - first tour match November 2012 - Nearly 3 years playing.
inseedious - first tour match July 2012 - in his 4th year of playing.
pigrosofo - first tour match January 2013 - in his 3rd year of playing.


Stop looking for shortcuts. Just play. There is nothing you (Sean and Rusty) are missing out on, not counting time.

If you want to be a good player - but not willing to put in the time, to invest the effort - then quit now and save your nerves. You will NOT get instantly better no matter what questions/answers you ask/get. Hell, if Richie would precisely wrote down every little move, every little adjustment step, every amount of time for each shot, when to hit what shot.....everything - IT WOULD NOT HELP YOU ONE BIT.

My suggestion stays the same.....just play the game without expectations for at least one year.

[Rusty96]

But I can't imagine that they moved lile me after 3/4of a year. Also look at players like didine. They play this game for a long time also but never get even close to the top.

[djarvik]

But I can't imagine that they moved lile me after 3/4of a year. Also look at players like didine. They play this game for a long time also but never get even close to the top.

In addition to time, you do need to have a talent for this game. It is very possible that you don't have enough of it and will never improve significantly.

I put forward myself as an example. I play almost as much as the other guy and yet I am at 1500 ELO....I can say that I know everything about this game and "how" to do things....yet I simply am not talented enough to execute it and translate into wins. Although I do have my moments.

[FEDERER2]

Pls, pls, pls listen to djarvik, i thought from a year ago that i would never win a match, but then i finally started getting my groove, and couldnt me playing bettter, but im still not great, but u never know.

[Robbin92]

But I can't imagine that they moved lile me after 3/4of a year. Also look at players like didine. They play this game for a long time also but never get even close to the top.

This should not be your aim at the moment. Top is lightyears away and not everybody can make it to that level, even with a lot of playing. Your brain must be made for video games to get there.
First try to compete with guys around 1000-1300 ELO.

[C4iLL]

I think it's wrong to say it takes 1 year. If you look at the top players progression, I think it takes at worst 6 active months to get a solid top 15 level if you organize yourself, are ambitious, highly motivated and possess a strong mental.

To illustrate the timeframe, let's take Magav as the lambda example. He was not particularly giften when he started playing TE and competitions in summer 2013... But he managed to reach US Open final of 2014, 1 year after his start.

July 2013 ---> Defeats vs

R32 ronyers2013 (El Salvador) 3-6, 4-6
QF sprock-93 (Italy) 37 6-3, 3-6, 6-7
R16 Felipe.M (Colombia) 13 2-6, 2-6
leonmonstroso (USA) 77 1-6, 3-6
QF sprock-93 (Italy) 38 6-1, 6-7, 6-7

In August

W sprock-93 (Italy) 38 6-1, 7-6

October

R16 leonmonstroso (USA) 53 5-7, 7-5, 3-6

You see his summer slow progression. 2 defeats vs Sprock in July, finally a victory in August.

His matchs vs Leonmonstroso are more significant to illustrate his progression to top 20 level.
In July, he lost in 2 easy sets vs him (ranked only 77 back then) ;
In October he lost in 3 close sets.
In the very next tournament, he finally beat leonmonstroso, ranked 52, 6-3, 6-1.
At the end of O0ctober, he beat again leonmonstroso 6-4, 6-2 and tdbchess, ranked 13, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3

Magav finally won the ITST Open 2013 at the end of the season, which is the tournament for the guys not qualified for World Tour Finals.
So in 6 months, he managed to be the best of the guys outside the top 10. He finished the year at the rank 28.

How did progress like that ? No secret :
1) he played every challengers / future possible
2) meanhile, he played a crazy number of practices sets
3) he frequently asked top players for matches, tips and feedbacks (at least he did with me).
3) he watched demos/videos of top players.

In 2014, he continued his progression and was able to compete with top players, winning several matchs in M1000 or grand slam vs Richie, Vramvrim & Vmoe.
The peak of 2014 was the US Open though : in Semi-final, led 2 sets 0 against Vramvrim, he saved multiple match points and won... Big mental ! He also reached the final of the World tour finals. So in less than a 1 year, he managed to get the top 5 level.
This season he was certainly the best competitor to Richie during the first part of the season, reaching the n°2 spot and beating very often Vramvrim. Since september 2014, Magav vs Vramvrim, it's 8-1 in Head to head.
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Other cases : Butcher, Richie, Vramvrim, IsniperXZ, Wilito, Pidzi, Clog.

- Butcher was like Magav was : playing a massive number of practice sets in a very short time, always asking the top players for "tips & secrets", ultra motivated. These guys have one common point : they didn't care to loose practices 6-0 against the top. They certainly loved the game and wanted to become top players. Butcher started in december 2013, he won Monte Carlo in April 2014 and Wimbledon in July, so once again 5-6 months.

- Richie & Vramvrim built their levels by playing together I think. A great partnership when you see their results. 4-6 months for them too.

- Two singular examples of spectacular progression could be Wilito & IsniperXZ.
Wilito last season, lost 6-0 6-0 against most top 10-20 players. This season, he was the unique player at RG to take a set from Richie. How did he do that ? Same as Magav : playing a lot and asking for tips.

IsniperXZ case is very different : he came on the tour in 2013, didn't have the level like every beginners, lost a lot in first rounds with scores like 6-1 6-1.
He vanished from tour as an anonymous, nobody knew his nick I think. ust before the AO 2014 started, everyone talked about one guy : IsniperXZ. He came from nowhere, destroying a lot of people in practice set on the lobby, playing at a great level whereas nobody knew him. Some people thought it was a fake or something
IsniperXZ reached semi-final of RG 2014 after beating Vramvrim and won several titles.

What did he do to explode like that ? He did what Pidzi & Clog did : practice a lot with AI until they finally get the level required to compete online. Pidzi is certainly the second best player all-time and Clog reached the final of Australian Open for one of his first tournament participation.

So it's not a matter of time, it's a matter of investment : you have 2 ways to become great, online or offline. But either way, you must play a big quantity of play as everyone is telling you in the previous posts. If you play 1000 sets in 1 month, you will have top 10 level more or less

[Rusty96]

I played houndreds of hours during the last months so it certainly is no lack of time investment. Everybody always tells me I need to play years to become well but I feel that nobody understands that my player simply feels slow on court. I won't be able to push the stick faster in a year. I will maybe improve my aiming but not the time i can push my stick from one side to another. I played already many video games...tennis games, fifa, other sports, shooter,... but I never had any problems with reaction or anything like this. I often played summer athletics on sega when i was younger with anybody who played video games with me and at 100m which is obviously very much about reaction i was always the best. So I can hardly believe I loss to all the top people only because of reaction and can believe even harder that this will improve when I play more often.I don't believe reaction decreases already at an age of 18.

My problem is simply that as mentioned my player feels slow,seems to be not very responsive to what I want to do.

Also I think I am nobody who is too dumb to play a video game. In fifa i am in online league 1 every year easily and in Grand Slam Tennis 2 I was in the top 10 when I quit the game ( because I felt it is very unrealistic even for a video game) and I even could compete with no.1 in rankings, taking sets away from him.
So I really wonder what I am doing wrong here so I ask for some kind of crucial tip of the top players which doesn't tell me that I just need to play more.

I play this game for 3/4 of a year now. In the first 1/4 of it I played probably 150-200 best of 5 matches vs cpu. After I played another 150 vs cpu and almost 300 matches online so I don't think I invest not enough.

I simply feel that I got to a point where I can't improve anymore without external advice.

[FEDERER2]

Well #1 unfortunately, i kno people dont like to hear this, but its not the player, unfortunately it u, "the player doesnt move fast" = U not timing the ball or moving fast enough. None of the players outside the top 50 do anything perfectly, but they learn to improve and they find a way to breakthrough. but i have a question for u rusty.




How Do ATP Tennis Players Get better?

according to what u said above, your answer will probably be: Nothing, they just knew how to play when they were born.


Now im not trying to be harsh but it irks me when some players have SO much confidence in their game that they dont get better. Dont get me wrong, its GREAT to be confident, but not overconfident, Understand what im saying here?

[C4iLL]

If you feel slow, try to play the game on another computer, with another resolution & camera.

[Rusty96]

Well #1 unfortunately, i kno people dont like to hear this, but its not the player, unfortunately it u, "the player doesnt move fast" = U not timing the ball or moving fast enough. None of the players outside the top 50 do anything perfectly, but they learn to improve and they find a way to breakthrough. but i have a question for u rusty.




How Do ATP Tennis Players Get better?

according to what u said above, your answer will probably be: Nothing, they just knew how to play when they were born.


Now im not trying to be harsh but it irks me when some players have SO much confidence in their game that they dont get better. Dont get me wrong, its GREAT to be confident, but not overconfident, Understand what im saying here?

Of course they practice. But practice for real tennis has nothing to do with practice for a video game. In real tennis you have to practice your shot technique, your physical abilities but not your reaction.

My shots are quick, only my player not. What we are talking about here is moving an analog stick around. My speed there hasn't improved there in all the time I play this game and I honestly don't see a way how a human should move the stick around quicker. Probably there is a patter in TE which I don't understand which improves this or something like this.

@C4iLL: I only have one computer.

[FEDERER2]

BINGO!!! Ur 1 step closer, there are patterns that u need to understand, and that comes with practice. Like countering or movement.

[Rusty96]

But when I don't know the pattern I'll maybe never find out which are they...