movement online matches

[Rusty96]

And the first goal is already my problem: moving as fast as possible.
I move with the analog stick of my controller and I want to know if there is something beyond just moving into the right direction to move as fast as possible.

[Richie1308]

There is really no special trick, I also use a controller (PS4 one but it doesn't matter at all) and nothing makes you go faster, there's even no longer any autopos that helps you besides return.

[Rusty96]

But why am I so much slower than other players then? It is certainly not because of the character.

Edit: When I asked you which shot you hit in an average situation (acceleration or acceleration+a shot button or only a normal shot button) I meant with average situation an situation where you have to move and your opponents hits a good shot but not as good that you would be in defense and you place perfectly but only 0,5 -1 sec before you have to hit the ball.
So all in all I would like to know if the top players attack every shot they can with acceleration( abd if yes if only acc or acc+dhot button) or if the best only play in everything with minimum risk

[Rusty96]

I give it up...I position myself exactly like ca4ill described but I am too slow to get the balls though. I normally don't win more than 1 or 2 games against an average player like this.

[Rusty96]

I have just lost 0/6 0/6 in sim again and I have to say I played at my very limit in this match. There is nothing I could have done better with my abilities. I am just helpless with movement. I practice it for so long now without any inprovement that I come to the conclusion that I can't improve it. I move at my absolute maximum. The opponent gets to every ball, me to almost none. I tried everything, move into the position c4ill described but I doesn't help me. If there is no big trick revealed to me I will stop playing this game soon. I have no problem with losing but I can't even make a match out of it. I am getting totally trashed again and again.

[C4iLL]

Play vs the AI in offline man. How you think we all learnt this game ? We didn't ask anything when we started to play... Btw check your FPS, in the menu, activate it, perhaps you have less than 60, which is not perfect to play Tennis elbow.

But, clearly: If you cannot compete with level Pro 10 or something in offline, forget about ATP 250+, just go on challengers/future or you'll constantly get 6-0. A guy like didine took more than sixty 0-6 in his career & still enjoys the tour

[Rusty96]

I already played didine and defeated him in straight sets (not in sim). That was one of tge very few victories i scored. But he certainly has a different problem than me. He is simply playing bad strokes but even him moves better than me.
I already played about 200-300 matches offline and once defeated djokovic on pro 10 level. But all in all especially online I am not competetive with my movement.
I don't know why anybody moves better than me but as already said there is really nothing I can do better in movement anymore. I know many people don't believe me but the opponents don't only anticipate better, they can run faster as well.
Even yesterday at the 0-6 0-6 I put the opponebt in the defense with very good shots, as I said I played at my limit. But he got everything and when he git a single good placed shot I don't get there.
So when I get to the ball in solid position I am pretty good I think but the movement takes every chance to be competetive away from me.
I have 120 fps.

[Rob92]

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[djarvik]

It just doesn't feel like I'm being outsmarted/outplayed in a natural way and it completely breaks the immersion of TE feeling like a tennis match. It's like I'm just being outdone by some quirks of the gameplay mechanics that I don't understand.

Amen to that.

I am at 1300 ELO since beginning of the tour and nearly 2000 matches played. Granted I only seriously played when the tour started, now its more of a 1-2 sets at night in between putting my son to bed and dinner

@Rusty96 - you need to clock in some time. Just keep at it, stick to Futures....don't even enter Pros even though you allowed to, as this will only dishearten you. The way TE works is that a little tiny level variance can result in you losing drastically. The higher that variance the more drastic the result. For example, you reached a level of 90% in the game, but your opponent is 95% he will likely bagel you. He will be able to do little things better then you and they matter a lot in TE. It may take you literally a year to gain that 5%...even though it seems so close - it is still rather far.

[Rusty96]

No, djarvik. There is way more difference than 5%. There is such a big difference in movement and I feel like I can't improve movement anymore. So finding what differs me from the best won't happen. With ELO in the 500s it is clear that the difference to average players is even bigger than 5%. Especially when I get trashed by them without knowing anything I have done wrong.

Rob said it perfectly, it feels like there is something in the gameplay I don't understand which results into being outplayed all the tine in an unnatural way.

[djarvik]

How long do you play TE?

If you still doing things that you did against me when we played - you will not progress. I have pointed out to you numerous times what you need to improve. Maybe we should play again and see if you still do it. You start moving BEFORE I hit the shot into opposite direction....you sorta quickly press a "guessing" direction then release and start running the right way. This makes you WAY WAY WAY slower then your opponent. That little tiny step slows you down dramatically. You were also not re-positioning on time.....you hit and then "admire" your shot - instead of right away recovering to the best possible spot. You also do not judge the depth of the ball well. You don't serve well either, hardly ever hitting the lines.....the list kinda goes on.

So it is strange to me that you proclaim that you see nothing to be improved. I see quite a few things.

Once you get these things worked out at least a little bit, you can concentrate more on your opponent tendencies and anticipate MORE and BETTER.

All these things combined will make you feel fast.

The little moving patters and tricks don't even come into play until you hit a good 1500+ ELO.

Hell, even on good serving alone you can hit 1500 ELO and win matches.

I am starting to believe you just want to be "good" without putting in the time and effort and you are too quick to write off things you do wrong as "minor" and others having some sort of trick.

I also don't "buy" the:

So when I get to the ball in solid position I am pretty good

....do you mean when the ball is a "sitter" ...if yes - then pretty much all players can put these away or be aggressive on these. The fact that you describe hitting "good" shots and not being able to score at your Level of play - means you really not hitting that good of a shot as you think.

I strongly suggest you first concentrate on your serve. That alone will allow you more freedom to try things on court. And you can learn to serve well....hell if I can Ace Pidzi and Isaldor more then a few times a set - then you should be able to ace your serves or get weak replys all day against Future level competition. At the same time - fix your little step before the shot "thingy" ....be patient, recover and WATCH where the ball goes first. Then move to the RIGHT direction right away. Once you accomplish these two things you can see your ELO zoom to over 1000 and you start wining more and more matches.

We are trying to help, but you have to follow through....forget about your 200+ games played:
"Doing the same wrong thing for 20 years does not mean you have 20 years experience, just means you were doing the same thing for 20 years".

[djarvik]

Rob said it perfectly, it feels like there is something in the gameplay I don't understand which results into being outplayed all the tine in an unnatural way.

Rob is 1700 ELO (right Rob?) - his experience of the game is vastly different then yours. You speak of different things.....even though it sounds very similar.

[Rusty96]

Djarvik, my serve is great. I only served bad vs you because of the very high ping. When the ping is < 150 ms I am a very good server. I served better than most of my opponents but in the last match even serves with 215 kph right on the line were returned perfectly.
We can play again if you want, no problem but ping is always about 280 ms so i won't play at my limit.

Concerning movement, no I only move before the opponent hits the ball when I see that I have no chance to reach the ball when I wait for the shot direction.

[C4iLL]

I agree with Djarvik on everything he said. I'd add one thing : watch very closely this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPVGOmgGnk4

It's the final of a M1000 last year between Richie & Pidzi, you must focus on their movements and so on. Maybe you will see all the mistakes you do in comparaison with them...

In this match, there is the record in rally length on ITST for a single point : 160 or 170 shots !

[Rob92]

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