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Postby Ary1g » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:58

djarvik wrote:After two hours of play, I am contemplating of returning the game back. I have never done that and I own every tennis game out there. I don't need the money back, I just want to do it out of principal. I will spend a few more hours this weekend...

- No ability to increase strokes individually, making one better then the other :?

Playing online is either a Net rusher after Net rusher....or we play baseline and the points never end....until one of us decides to go to net and finish it. I see that both of us dont want to do it, but there is no other choice.

- Opponent standing in the middle covering the net can, me hitting a down the line Flat forehand from EXTREMELY comfortable position. What happens? Opponent zooms in to cover it and scores a winner, that appears to be harder then my initial shot :?

I figured out how to pass most opponents, but they are simply not good. As soon as I get a good net player, or baseliner, it is very clear that Net play is not overpowered, because either I lose fast, or we end up with endless rallies.

- Did you know? If you end up face to face with your opponent at the net, and both of your reflexes similar, you can end up hitting 40 volleys to each other :lol: ...just had that and lost the point only because started to laugh.



This game needs an update. I think we all can agree on that.

My biggest problem with this game is the Arcade control style(using buttons). If you play this game with the TRC it's just amazing how much better it is. Much more variables to the outcome of the shot. If you're not 100% focused, your shots aren't great. They are only good. Also sometimes you don't get the flick totally right, so it ends up with either a deep top spin or a unintentional slice(which may or may not help you win the point). Along with the volleying, which becomes much less deadly with the TRC, this game could have been really good if they dropped the arcade controls. Why the developers decided to put in button control is to me a mystery. At least, why haven't they put in a game mode online where you can choose which control style the game is locked to use? The same online options you can find in FIFA12: "Any controls" or "Manual". If they just made a update with that little option, this game would be much more satisfiying online. My first 20-30 matches the first 2-3 days after release I only used TRC. I didn't loose a single match(much credited to my hard practice against Nole in the demo). However suddenly I met a guy who just made these insane volleys I only had seen made by the computer which lead me to think there was some bad adjustments in the game. From there on, most players started to use buttons online. Now, the only shots I use TRC, is topspin crosscourts(you can get slightly better angles with TRC on those) and sometimes flat shots if you have time to prep them. There's just no way to beat the top players without using buttons. The huge advantage with button shots is that you don't need half as much preparation time to make effective shots compared to TRC.

When it comes to endless baseline rallies, I never experience that. After around 10-20 shots players get tired and slow, which makes it very easy to hit a winner. When playing against a very skilled player, it's more or less all about who can wrongfoot your opponent first or best. If you get a decent wrongfoot, you can hold the pressure until your opponent gets tired and you can finish the point. It's difficult, but possible. It has to be said, that you can't afford good shots against top players. All your shots has to be great/perfect!

Net rushers is easier dodged by lobbing them with button lobs. Button lobs rarely fall short, so if your opponent aren't ready for it, you are guaranteed a very bad volley from your opponent or the lob becomes a winner. Of course, when playing really skilled net players, you really need to mix up your passing play. The lobs has to come at the perfect moments, the low top spin passing attempts has to be great or perfect. However the most important thing against highly skilled net huggers is to wrong-foot them. If you play the ball where they are expecting it, they will punish you. Sadly they get a lot of help from a glitch with the drop shot volley. Sometimes they get a thumping shot into the ground which bounces way out of reach. Let's hope we get a solid update.

I have found out that OB is the strongest style at the moment. At least imo. Having 100 power 100 serve just gives you so much "free" points. You can serve aces very easily, and your shots are so powerful that just a little wrong-foot is enough to make a winner. S&V are also very powerful, but with the button lobs being so easy to execute I can't imagine that S&V will be the absolute dominant style.

Even though all these issues, I still have a great time playing the game. The mind games against good players are so enjoyable and there's often nothing between eachother. The only thing that matters in those matches are to be mentally strong. If you loose focus just for one single game, you might have lost the match.

Many here don't have a clue about what game I've been playing, refusing to believe that this game deserves anything. To me this just sounds like you haven't given the game the time it needs to really open up and shine.
I used maybe 10 hours(maybe more) on the demo, working in the practice court improving my bad wing, finding ways to counter Djoko's net hunger. And yes! My work paid of! The first week I was in the top 10 on ps3 with one loss out of 20-30 matches. Now I've been pushed down to 26th now as I don't have time to play so much. Still, I'm very satisfied to be so highly ranked. I don't play cheesy and anyone who want to play me on PS3, please add me. :)

I like to play as real-life-like as possible. Only going to the net when you make decent approach shots and so. I can't stand those players who has perfected how to exploit the button volleys and can't really understand what's the great experience and fun in playing such a playstyle. Still, there's plenty of players going for glory at the net. Hopefully in a couple of weeks there will be more baseliners as I believe that it's the way to go in the game at present day.


wow, now I'm really tired. Sorry for writing this "novel" to you all, and sorry if there's some bad sentences or misspellings. I'm not going to correct my post right now. Thanks for reading it! You should get a medal or something I suppose. :wink:
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Postby L Sanchez MD » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:10

I can't stand those players who has perfected how to exploit the button volleys and can't really understand what's the great experience and fun in playing such a playstyle.


You can't stand people using button volleys, because they're OP, yet you suggest using button lobs because they 'rarely fall short'.

You can't blame people for finding the easiest way to win in EA's unbalanced game.
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Postby Ary1g » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:27

L Sanchez MD wrote:
I can't stand those players who has perfected how to exploit the button volleys and can't really understand what's the great experience and fun in playing such a playstyle.


You can't stand people using button volleys, because they're OP, yet you suggest using button lobs because they 'rarely fall short'.

You can't blame people for finding the easiest way to win in EA's unbalanced game.


I meant those who use the drop shot volley "glitch", where you get a thumping volley right into the ground which bounces out of reach no matter what. ;)

I don't think there's anything wrong with using button lobs when people are using button volleys. It's still very easy to smash lobs. Just stop at the service box or take a few steps back if you think your opponent is going to lob you, then it's an easy smash winner. I don't think it's really all that unbalanced. Imo, the thing that makes this game unbalanced is the arcade control system, because it's more effective than TRC.

Of course I can blame people. If there was a tour here on ITST, I can't believe I would encounter anyone playing outright cheesy and playing outside any reasonable tennis style. :) S&V with a lot of net play is okay for me, but I don't think the drop shot glitch should be used at all in a ITST tour.

Hope it makes more sense to you now :)
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Postby VMoe86 » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:03

What I'll never understand is why the animation problems are there: GST on Wii didn't have that problem, so I guess it must be related to Total Racquet Control or lazyness fixing that problem.

I also don't understand why they changed the movement compared to GST on Wii. It was perfect there, you could literally see how the very good players were constantly moving according to the situation: Being far back on defence, immediately moving closer to the baseline or taking a step inside the baseline to take shots on the rise, running around backhands, moving in perfect positions for hitting a shot etc. Great movement and court coverage were skills themselves in GST on Wii, here I just don't see it. Movement is one - if not the most - important aspect of modern tennis, but it is rarely implemented well in tennis games.

I don't think there will be any serious patch: The game features problems that were apparent in the versions for Xbox360 and PS3 put on hold back in 2009 - in 2012 they are still there. They probably just took these versions being put on hold in 2009, added a good Move support for the PS3 version (if it weren't for the Move support I wouldn't have bought the game) and released it this way.
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Postby L Sanchez MD » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:01

Ary1g wrote:
L Sanchez MD wrote:
I can't stand those players who has perfected how to exploit the button volleys and can't really understand what's the great experience and fun in playing such a playstyle.


You can't stand people using button volleys, because they're OP, yet you suggest using button lobs because they 'rarely fall short'.

You can't blame people for finding the easiest way to win in EA's unbalanced game.


I meant those who use the drop shot volley "glitch", where you get a thumping volley right into the ground which bounces out of reach no matter what. ;)

I don't think there's anything wrong with using button lobs when people are using button volleys. It's still very easy to smash lobs. Just stop at the service box or take a few steps back if you think your opponent is going to lob you, then it's an easy smash winner. I don't think it's really all that unbalanced. Imo, the thing that makes this game unbalanced is the arcade control system, because it's more effective than TRC.

Of course I can blame people. If there was a tour here on ITST, I can't believe I would encounter anyone playing outright cheesy and playing outside any reasonable tennis style. :) S&V with a lot of net play is okay for me, but I don't think the drop shot glitch should be used at all in a ITST tour.

Hope it makes more sense to you now :)


What doesn't make sense to me is that you think people shouldn't use the arcade controls, when that's the easiest way to win :P

Although you never explicitly said that, it seems to be what you meant.

And yes, the onus is on EA to fix their broken game.

Hope that makes sense ;)
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Postby Cro Morgan » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:23

GST2 makes me love TS4 more.

Granted TS4 isn't perfect, but if you step back and look at the big picture, you'll soon realize that a lot of passion/thought went into the making of the game. Even if TS4 isn't for you, hard not to appreciate that fact.
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Postby VillaJ100 » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:34

Cro Morgan wrote:GST2 makes me love TS4 more.

Granted TS4 isn't perfect, but if you step back and look at the big picture, you'll soon realize that a lot of passion/thought went into the making of the game. Even if TS4 isn't for you, hard not to appreciate that fact.


THIS. The thing is, EA probably won't listen to feedback. They will just think, we tried a tennis game, it flopped.
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Postby VillaJ100 » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:40

Btw there is a game for people with smartphones called 'cross court tennis'. download this and see how realistic the strokes are (comparatively), all for a mobile game that costs $2.
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Postby VMoe86 » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:53

VillaJ100 wrote:THIS. The thing is, EA probably won't listen to feedback. They will just think, we tried a tennis game, it flopped.

EA knows how to make a tennis game with motion-sensitive controls. In 2009 they put on hold the Xbox360 and PS3 versions, stating the following reason:

We're pleased with the product quality and sales for Grand Slam Tennis on Wii and it's been obvious to us that the sport of tennis is best captured in a videogame when leveraging motion control and we are moving development resources from our tennis team to our EA Sports Active franchise. We believe this is a good swap and expect this decision to yield positive results.

Source: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1010722p1.html

Now they just took their Xbox360 and PS3 versions of the game (versions they put on hold because they were NOT satisfied with the quality), assumingly changing nothing besides adding Move support on PS3 - an attempt to get some money back from the development back then, nothing more.

Two nights ago my Wii could read the GST disc, I played a couple of matches online - so much better. And it was easier to get into a match online, because still around 100 players are online there.
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Postby L Sanchez MD » Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:38

VillaJ100 wrote:Btw there is a game for people with smartphones called 'cross court tennis'. download this and see how realistic the strokes are (comparatively), all for a mobile game that costs $2.


Yea, I have it. Would rather play it than GST2. Just wish the volley animations were better.
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Postby DMG100 » Sun, 19 Feb 2012 04:44

VillaJ100 wrote:Btw there is a game for people with smartphones called 'cross court tennis'. download this and see how realistic the strokes are (comparatively), all for a mobile game that costs $2.


I downloaded the free version a month ago. Love that game.
Seems I can't cross that threshold just yet :(
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Postby Ary1g » Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:53

L Sanchez MD wrote:
What doesn't make sense to me is that you think people shouldn't use the arcade controls, when that's the easiest way to win :P

Although you never explicitly said that, it seems to be what you meant.

And yes, the onus is on EA to fix their broken game.

Hope that makes sense ;)


Yes, this game needs a patch.

No, I don't think people should use the arcade controls. The TRC system works well. It isn't as easy to use as arcade controls(and maybe not as powerful in some aspects), but it gives a so much better tennis feel than arcade controls! In addition, I think it might introduce shorter points because with TRC you have more variables to master. Perfect positioning(if you want perfect shots), the flick of the stick, and the timing. Whilst using buttons, all you need to do is to position yourself allright, press the button as early as possible and hit the timing. TRC = More variables = Potentially more bad shots. Of course, it's all about practice, but nobody is going to practice to master the TRC system, when it's not as good as buttons in some aspects. Hence, a patch with control options would be varmly welcomed to players like me who enjoy using the TRC, though are forced to use buttons in tight situations(short prep time) to compete against the best button lovers. ;)

You can jump right into the game using button shots and beat most guys in a couple of hours. While you really have to return to the practice court a lot to practice your flicks to get the shots you want, when you want.
The feeling of being able to produce the great winners with TRC is extremely satisfying. Sadly, not many people will care to learn the TRC well enough with todays situation.

If you have tried to play Fifa on manual settings. You will encounter a huge difference in gameplay compared to using assisted settings and I think it's kind of the same in GST2.

This is still a theory based on my experience with the game so far. Therefore it might be proven wrong when time passes by and more people get to know the game. I certainly don't have time to test everything ;) Hopefully there will come patches that improve this game and bring more ITST people to it. :)

And to clear things up. I still play TS4 sometimes. Though, I'm not playing tournaments here on ITST for the time being. No point in doing that as long as Welsh is allowed. Which brings me away to the Welsh threads to heat up the discussions again. Had a couple of good matches against Firderis which was interesting. See you there.
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Postby MrMackNasty » Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:34

wait a second? there is such a thing as great/perfect? I seem to only get good and I have a few hours played on this game(ps3).
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Postby supinesmokey13 » Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:00

MrMackNasty wrote:wait a second? there is such a thing as great/perfect? I seem to only get good and I have a few hours played on this game(ps3).
the strokes are clunky but i loved the speed of game they had it almost right
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