S&V coach Michael Kelly

[omidje90]

Hi people,

Er is one big unrealistic part in TS4 and i think it has to be banned. I didn't want to complain after a loss about this, cuz i don't like that attitude. Now i did won a match against the same S&V player as last week. Last week i lost, now i won. Its a player with service 82 and volley 97 and the specials Volley shot artist and Smell of Blood. The coach is Michael Kelly. With this combination its impossible to do something against the volleys. The volleyplayer don't necessarily need to play well to win. In my opinion this coach and also maybe some other volley-coaches must be banned. Surely its possible to be an S&V player, but it has to stay realistic. In this way everyone can make such a player an win matches. In my opinion TS4 is an great game that has to be played for fun and realism. If the Monster Defense coaches are banned, this coach surely got to be banned.

Usually i never complain so sorry for this blabla story

[Alex-4487]

dw i have the same issues this is well overpowered but i dont no if itst will do anything about it for now

[reconskillsxx]

i cant say if it is overpowered because i havent come across anyone who uses that setup yet but 82 service and 97 volley i could just imagine what you can do with that setup you wouldn't miss one volley, u might aswell just have to lob every time the person comes to net but if they created a tall player i dont think you will have a chance against someone who is atleast half decent at the game playing with that setup but yet again i havent played against that setup so i dont know what to expect

[safe_as_milk_]

One of my players is michael kelly (18/0/2)... he is a beast, granted, but i'd still rank him alongside some of the other strong builds. I've got a good record with him but I've been beaten quite handily by strong players who can really mix it up.
I've also played against a michael kelly player with my baseliner in an ITST match... very very very tough to get past but I just about managed to scrape a win. I think if you banned him you'd also have to ban welch, rabari, gallo, babb, slavina etc etc...

[omidje90]

i cant say if it is overpowered because i havent come across anyone who uses that setup yet but 82 service and 97 volley i could just imagine what you can do with that setup you wouldn't miss one volley, u might aswell just have to lob every time the person comes to net but if they created a tall player i dont think you will have a chance against someone who is atleast half decent at the game playing with that setup but yet again i havent played against that setup so i dont know what to expect

U can expect a lot tougher opponent than u thought e before the game like that. Even lobbing will not be enough. The reach of his volleys are outstanding, u will see many unreal points. My point is that the way the match is going with such an opponent is extremely unrealistic. This take a lot away from the fun that u expect from an excellent game as TS4. I've never complained about anybody, but i had to say this..

[edlglide]

I use Michael Kelly with my female S&V and it's not unrealistic at all. Defensive baseliners, especially ones with passing shot sniper, and can win pretty easily. It's all about match-ups. I've made a lot of quarterfinals and semifinals but people who really know what they are doing can still handle me in straight sets.

Although mine doesn't have 82 spd and 97 volley; she does have 94 volley.

[dude22cp]

I think ITST must ban ALL trainers, no additional skills for anyone.
Play only with the stats and nobody will say this is a disgrace
Good idea or not ?

[Rob ITST]

One thing about the S&V setups:

The harder it is to break their serve, the easier it is to hold serve against them. They have absolutely nothing to hurt you from the baseline.

[supinesmokey13]

I use Michael Kelly with my female S&V and it's not unrealistic at all. Defensive baseliners, especially ones with passing shot sniper, and can win pretty easily. It's all about match-ups. I've made a lot of quarterfinals and semifinals but people who really know what they are doing can still handle me in straight sets.

Although mine doesn't have 82 spd and 97 volley; she does have 94 volley.

what it isnt an overpowered setup i.e 18/2 78 serve and 94 volley really people are exploiting it by going to the extreme with the setup the same as gallo with 100 power or welch people just take good setups and take them to the extreme.

it's the best volley setup in the game and not many use it so to combat it create a player with high reflex and return skill. it would be fair to ban it is not an easy setup to use if you dont have skill

[DarkTunde]

Banning setups is a slippery slope. I don't play the game on WT, and I joined ITST after the MD coaches were banned, so I have no first hand experience of the effects of MD. As such I can't comment of the validity of banning them.

What I will say, is banning has to be done carefully. Just because you struggle against Micheal Kelly isn't enough of a reason to ban him. Where does it end? I have topic in the PS3 Tour section, about being done with the Tour, after being bored of facing IR/CPS, but you won't find me asking for it to be banned.

Ask for advice from experienced players, and practice against the CPU volley-ers like Rafter and Sampras, and see if you can come up with strategies.

If you want to ban Kelly, then rabari and Welch sound like they would have to go first.

[I_Zooloo_I]

i agree about the dont ban without thinking etc, it s just what you said about the fact he has no tools to damage you from the baseline.

thing is with such a crazy capacity at the net, you dont need an awesome approach shot to win the point.

i played a very good player using this setup and holding my serve was very hard.
lost both matchs

[omidje90]

I use Michael Kelly with my female S&V and it's not unrealistic at all. Defensive baseliners, especially ones with passing shot sniper, and can win pretty easily. It's all about match-ups. I've made a lot of quarterfinals and semifinals but people who really know what they are doing can still handle me in straight sets.

Although mine doesn't have 82 spd and 97 volley; she does have 94 volley.

You surely say its not unrealistic cuz u use it yourself. If u look objective to the play style of this player, u've got to admit that its absolutely unrealistic. If u compare this coach with the S&V players in real life, the advantage of this coach is enormous. With this advantage the whole world have the opportunity to play like Sampras and Rafter did. But Sampras and Rafter are 2 of the best players in the world, thats the difference, You say yourself that there's a special defensive needed to stop this guy. so everybody with another player have no chance, meanwhile the S&V player not need to play outstanding to win the points.

And then the style of the volleys, they are so easy to play that the reach of the volleys are enormous.. I think there's not a coach, even not the MD, with this amount of advantage..

[omidje90]

i agree about the dont ban without thinking etc, it s just what you said about the fact he has no tools to damage you from the baseline.

thing is with such a crazy capacity at the net, you dont need an awesome approach shot to win the point.

i played a very good player using this setup and holding my serve was very hard.
lost both matchs

I wanted to say the same. This player don't need to play an good approach, with 68 on both wings its enough to play an bad approach and step up to the net. At the net its almost impossible to pass even if he played an bad approach. That's again a example of the crazy amount of advantage from this coach..

[tonedawg1]

I can't pass them unless I hit a control topspin shot as there going to the net other than that Im helpless

[VillaJ100]

Mine is even worse... he has 85 serve and 100 volley. But on the flipside, i have a herculean 40 Power points, and only 45 stamina, and weak speed too. Take a look at my recent results to see how much success i've had.