S&V coach Michael Kelly

[Ranma_Sao]

I almost lost to Firderis (he had few match points) and Xesco15 who is not even good ranked player beated me. They played me very well, at least they played better than you did against me. And maybe I was good before playing ITST? I've only played serve and volley since game release that's why I'm that good with it.If you gave me a baseliner, I wouldn't be able to win I guess . Of course, I picked Kelly because he gives +15 FH and BH, but there's big inconvenients if you noticed.48 Stamina is really poor, no power,low speed ,it's not enough for you? You gonna tell me as volleyer ,I don't need power but if I could have power I would be able to ace and hit winner returns and it's never the case. Like I said, I suggest you to play serve and volley with kelly or another coach and you'll see what is really annoying against us.

[Ranma_Sao]

Oh and I forgot, Likos has 96% win. Why don't you complain about Drew Welch ? Just a suggestion...

[safe_as_milk_]

Just learn how to play against serve and volleyer! Most of you don't even know how to play them and whine ... I recently lost to someone badly and he had IR/CPS setup which is ,according to me, **** more imba. Problem is you rarely meet SV so you don't have many occasions to practice against them . Just try him and you'll see it's not that easy to win against good players. Playing SV is mainly anticipations +reflex and you need to practice a lot to be really good at SV.

sorry bout why lie when everyone can clearly see you havnt lost a match yet looking at your record on the mens tour because on this setup. so are you trying to hide the fact that you know this setup is a joke and trying to find a way to defend good try but not good enough. this setup is a joke because the grondstrokes should never be that high including the volley stat too.

It is a beast of a setup (one of the strongest ones imo) but this fella must still be an absolutely awesome player and deserves every credit. There mightn't be many serve and volleyers about but there's still plenty using michael kelly who've dedicated a hell of a lot of time to S&V who can't get close to his record. I can certainly how appreciate how well he must anticipate and time his volleys to consistently pull off what you're talking about, largely because i'm not capable of it myself. You're making out like anyone can just pick up a pad and dominate really good baseliners, but it can be so hard sometimes. At my level I do pretty well with my Kelly guy but if I come up against a certain type of player who mixes it up and disrupts my rhythm I end up really wishing I'd picked my baseliner. There's so many things that people can do to give you loads of grief (i could list them but i've rambled on enough), and if they're able to do it consistently then you need to have lightning reflexes (human not character) and anticipation skills.

One more thing... (a la columbo)
In response to what was said earlier, generally if i play a bad approach shot (especially against someone with a passing shot skill and/or high speed/strong groundstrokes) and still rush to the net I get raped. I just think the guy you played must be a volley god. Can any better players than me whose opinion carries more weight back this up?

While we're talking about serve and volley- ranma sao (or any others), how do you combat that damn glitchy thing that happens sometimes when the player just stops running and waits for it to hit the ground instead of gliding in and volleying?

[Alex-4487]

Oh and I forgot, Likos has 96% win. Why don't you complain about Drew Welch ? Just a suggestion...

many people already have complained about that if you read the forums before it was already there and yes u still need 2 be good to be a serve and volley player but the fact that you can come to the net and its bascially 99% u will win the point with kelly is so unrealistic because you cant do that vs any1 be 99% sure u will win a point. also you sed u ALMSOT lost well that is not the same as saying you lsot so you really shouldnt lie as it just shows your trying to hide the fact that you know its a overpowered setup and its not just me that has complained about this anyway. when more people see this setup more often im sure they will say the same thing soon its a joke

[Dark-Disaster]

99% of points at the net? Wow, I must be really bad at this game, because against a fairly good opponent I win like 70% to 85%. That's if I'm having a good day. Against superior opponents, the number becomes 50% or worse. I know this is my playstyle and my opinion is biased, but I don't believe serve and volley is overpowered. I truly believe that you aren't giving enough credit to the opponent.

[Alex-4487]

99% of points at the net? Wow, I must be really bad at this game, because against a fairly good opponent I win like 70% to 85%. That's if I'm having a good day. Against superior opponents, the number becomes 50% or worse. I know this is my playstyle and my opinion is biased, but I don't believe serve and volley is overpowered. I truly believe that you aren't giving enough credit to the opponent.

well u must not be that great lol i know my opponent can be great but usuing crushin passing shot and passing shot sniper stimed on perfect cannot even pass these type of players, i just recently played as this coach to see how it is and i mistimed so many volleys lol yet they are still right in the corners its unreal how accurate you can be even if you hit the ball too late anyway this is my opinion and u have yours its kl. but i believe it is overpowered and more people will c it

[Dark-Disaster]

99% of points at the net? Wow, I must be really bad at this game, because against a fairly good opponent I win like 70% to 85%. That's if I'm having a good day. Against superior opponents, the number becomes 50% or worse. I know this is my playstyle and my opinion is biased, but I don't believe serve and volley is overpowered. I truly believe that you aren't giving enough credit to the opponent.

well u must not be that great lol i know my opponent can be great but usuing crushin passing shot and passing shot sniper stimed on perfect cannot even pass these type of players, i just recently played as this coach to see how it is and i mistimed so many volleys lol yet they are still right in the corners its unreal how accurate you can be even if you hit the ball too late anyway this is my opinion and u have yours its kl. but i believe it is overpowered and more people will c it

I agree with one thing you say, the reach of a serve and volleyer is way too large. The net player can reach way too many shots. However, it is also hard for the net player to finish the point, because it is too easy for the baseliner to hit a low topspin shot at player's feet. Perhaps this is why you struggle against serve and volleyers, tactics. In my opinion, it isn't about making s and v stronger or weaker. Instead, they should make volleys into a high risk, high reward type of thing. Make volleys better, but also make them much harder to do.

[Alex-4487]

well this i dont mind as asaid in the pages before if we are willing to keep kelly it needs a balancing update as its way to easy 2 hit volleys from anywhere at the net its really annoying and i have beaten serve n volley players alot but this coach is almost impossible even if i hit passing shots on perfect timing

[Ranma_Sao]

So when you said I deserved my win against you , you didn't really think so? If making volley is easy with kelly , it's also the case with any volley coach. I play with Aja Golakov (who is forbidden on ITST) in women world tour, 83 volley 40 power only and 58 FH 60 BH and my percentage of win is about the same as with Kelly. So maybe the problem isn't just Kelly but me? Alex , if you're ok we can play a pro match . I pick Rafter and you pick anyone you want then if I win easily ,maybe you'll stop whine?

[Ranma_Sao]

While we're talking about serve and volley- ranma sao (or any others), how do you combat that damn glitchy thing that happens sometimes when the player just stops running and waits for it to hit the ground instead of gliding in and volleying?

I don't see what you mean at all sorry... Do you mean making semi volley instead of normal volley?

[Alex-4487]

So when you said I deserved my win against you , you didn't really think so? If making volley is easy with kelly , it's also the case with any volley coach. I play with Aja Golakov (who is forbidden on ITST) in women world tour, 83 volley 40 power only and 58 FH 60 BH and my percentage of win is about the same as with Kelly. So maybe the problem isn't just Kelly but me? Alex , if you're ok we can play a pro match . I pick Rafter and you pick anyone you want then if I win easily ,maybe you'll stop whine?

me whining im sorry but i thought im allowed an opinion and when you beat me u did deserve it but it didnt make it any less realistic i already said why i think this coach is overpowered and i no ur defending it coz you use it but lets c when you play someone with this setup vs you and you will maybe notice what a joke it is, as serve and volleying imo is really easy on this game i can volley and i got a 39 stat on it with np i can reach any ball and that in my opinion is why people are usuing this certain setup as volleying has become easier with the latest patch people are exploiting it like yourself. im sure if they balance volleying in the next patch people like you wont be using this setup as much

[Ranma_Sao]

I never said it's not a good setup ,it's the best setup for me 'cause it allows me to have "good" FH and BH (67) and good volley.I've always played serve and volley ,I played many volley setups and found this one (M.Kelly) the best for me. I didn't start serve and volley because of last patch, that's what I mean. And if you noticed, I created my characters before June patch . You can check it on WT (Eikichi Onizuka and Ranma Saotome).

"lets c when you play someone with this setup vs you and you will maybe notice what a joke it is"
I faced Edglide few days ago who has almost same stats as mine and I won 6-3 6-3 . Edlglide is good volleyer so if volleyers with our setup win 99% on the net ,we were supposed to play only tie break then. How about that? I could break him few times because I know what's annoying for us and I don't need 90 FH 90 BH or 90 power . So I let you imagine what a baseliner would be able to do. You are very good player Alex but I know many better players (french like me) and you will know them soon (they started on ITST) ^^.

"this certain setup as volleying has become easier with the latest patch people are exploiting it like yourself."
It only became easier because cross court short angle shots were nerfed 'cause it seems you don't know it but volleys were nerfed too! Before I could find impossible angles ,it's not the case anymore. Before even with a too late volley, it was still a good volley now if you hit a too late volley you have a good chance to lose point. So I don't think they gonna balance volleying again.

[Alex-4487]

volleying is easier not becuase of the cross court angles its easier because you can reach and hit any ball with a volley winner even if you are miles away from that part of the net you can reach and strech and hit winners which is unrealistic, hopefully the next patch will sort this out and then we will see how really good you are when volleying isnt such a joke. also you said if you hit a late volley a good chnace you lsoe the point well thats wrong because with a late volley it still goes in the corners and you just cant hit a winner straight away but it doesnt mean the player can pass you on the next shot its like you have 4 or 5 chances 2 win the point if you hit late volleys which is totally unrealistic as you should be punished by this.

also let me clarify what you said that you know many players better than me i beleive that thats np but in no way are u BETTER than me for example as being a baseliner you just serve and volley better with this exploit so dont get up yourself too much it aint really a good look.

[Ranma_Sao]

Man I stop trying to argue with you ,it's pointless anyway

[Alex-4487]

im not arguing just stating what i think about it