Topspin returning

[Moralspain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC5Em4BIn-U&feature=related

[Murmeltier88]

Well a glitch return happens, when you use Top Spin Returns in a specifical way.

It's just a simple equation:

Top Spin Return +"good Timing" (Not perfect) + Power Shot + pressing the analogue stick for a deep crosscourt angle = Glitch Return.

Prevent glitch returns by:

1.) Try to hit the ball with a perfect timing on Top Spin shots
2.) Avoid hitting Crosscourt-Top Spin balls with good timing
3.) If you hit crosscourts on return, press the analague stick in the position like its 9:15 on a clock which means, press it deeply RIGHT and not angular above.
4.) Use longline Top Spin returns
5.) User more flat returns...


Well in another words, you can hit a glitch returns very easily if you follow this instructions in a way I tried to explain.

When you are the return player, you press the circle button (PS 3 controls) when you see, that your opponent is serving and right in the moment when the ball leaves the serving player, your return player directly anticipates the ball. (When you plan to use top Spin).. Right before you hit the ball, stop pressing the Top Spin button and in the moment, where the ball hits your raquet, just push again the Top Spin button, while you perform a deep crosscourt angle shot with "GOOD" -Timing...Then you will with a high probability perform a glitch return which means, the player who has the serve, will move backwards the baseline.

I am not sure, if it also works on that way with controlled shots. Maybe it will, and maybe it also works with "bad" timing. But I think I am knowing very well how to use them, since I am a bit experienced in that game.

I can understand in that case, that many are saying "Oh I don't know how to use them",because they happen, when you hit the ball with "good" timing with this specific cross-court-angle shot I described...
For most of the people, it seems, like they are just normal Top Spin balls, but they are not, because when you hit normal and long Top Spin balls, they will not accure in a way, that your player has to move all the way backwards which is quiet an error in the game.

You cann see, that all glitch returns happen, while returning crosscourt. To be honest I think I have never seen a glitch return which was played longline...

And in my video you can see, that they happened a lot of times, because my player had to step sometimes even behind the camera, so a lot of metres behind the baseline which is in fact, not a normal topspin return... I am not saying he might use them in order to be unfair, but what I am saying is, that he used them, so I reported the case.

Okay, I hope I could maybe help a bit

I dunno, maybe everyone should check if this, what I tried to explain or what I might find out about that return if it is right.
But in the last months, I really tried to study that return and to find solutions to prevent them...

[KDZaster]

So if I read correctly, you have to press topspin TWICE to cause it?

Like, do a power return, crosscourt, deep corner, but the moment you were about to hit the ball let go of the button and tap it again?

[Murmeltier88]

A glitch return is not variety in the game.

It's an error in the game which can cause advantages for the return player.

[KDZaster]

I meant to post that last thing awhile ago, the variety was when the player said "I just never use topspin returns".

[Murmeltier88]

So if I read correctly, you have to press topspin TWICE to cause it?

Like, do a power return, crosscourt, deep corner, but the moment you were about to hit the ball let go of the button and tap it again?

Yeah it's kind of that way So my english was not so bad, than I thought lol.

I think I can play glitch returns almost every time if I wanted to because I tried to find out, how to use them. Of course you need this timing though.

[Alex-4487]

So if I read correctly, you have to press topspin TWICE to cause it?

Like, do a power return, crosscourt, deep corner, but the moment you were about to hit the ball let go of the button and tap it again?

Yeah it's kind of that way So my english was not so bad, than I thought lol.

I think I can play glitch returns almost every time if I wanted to because I tried to find out, how to use them. Of course you need this timing though.

better not use it against me :

[LokiSharpShootr]

Your post is wrong, i cant tell how wrong but its wrong because i never double tap my button and sometimes GR happens, i usually slice to the middle or give away the point after, as long as my opponent do it too if that happen with him.

[Murmeltier88]

Oh I don't know - it's just one way to use them. Besides I just wondered why you judge my post and say "Your post is wrong" when you never tried it that way?! I don't get that but nevermind. Of course, there are more ways of producing glitch returns.

Of course, maybe they can also happen in the same way if you do not double tap the button. Yeah it might be not necessary to make these returns. So I am really sure, that they can also happen, without double tapping.This was only my way of doing it.
I can do it like this, since I always double tap the buttons when I play

[omidje90]

So if I read correctly, you have to press topspin TWICE to cause it?

Like, do a power return, crosscourt, deep corner, but the moment you were about to hit the ball let go of the button and tap it again?

Yeah it's kind of that way So my english was not so bad, than I thought lol.

I think I can play glitch returns almost every time if I wanted to because I tried to find out, how to use them. Of course you need this timing though.

Hi , i have no time for an deep reaction, but i never taped a return twice, so if i follow your theorie its sure that i don't return glitchy..? After all my opinion untill this point is that the whole glitchy return problem might be the fault from the server instead of the receiver? If i speak for myself, i am playing topspin 4 from the very first day when it came out and in about 1000 matches i NEVER felt the need of complaining about glitchy returning.. Honestly i have never noticed it from any opponent yet.. My m8 Dennie told me the same.. In all his matches he never had à problem about this..

[Murmeltier88]

Of course, maybe they can also happen in the same way if you do not double tap the button. Yeah it might be not necessary to make these returns. So I am really sure, that they can also happen, without double tapping.This was only my way of doing it.

Look at my quotation please! You should read more carefully. I didn't say that they ONLY CAN HAPPEN by using double taps! Where did I say that?!
I said IT CAN happen on this way, it does not have to be like this because there are still other ways of doing so.

I also play Top Spin 4 since it has been released so I know, what a glith return is, and what is not.

You sadly played glitch returns during our match, and that will be my oppinion forever about the match that we played..., if you did it by accident or not, I might be not good to judge about that.

But it's just the truth, that in fact, you played those returns, what you can also see in the video.

[omidje90]

Ever thougt that YOU are doing something wrong with handeling a deep topspin return instead saying its an cheaty return ? How is it possible that this return never has bothered me and other (top) players from any opponent yet, and you feel the need to get mad about it ? Is it came up once in your mind that you probably have not the abillity yet to respond well enough on each return ? Maybe you should find a way to handle it instead of complaining ...

[Murmeltier88]

I played Omidje a few times during tournaments, in our matches he glitch returned very often, especially when big points were played.

He even complained about me glitch returning (although I did not, but that's not the point). I guess someone who is using this term is well aware of what it is. So, it is kind of strange reading such a topic from him.

No one ever mentioned you played glitch returns? Come on...

Yes, of course, you are absolutely right.
Glitch Returns are ALWAYS the fault of the Server, thats why it is called Glitch RETURNS. Yes, finally we have the answer

[OuiMr BersonBANNED]

I played Omidje a few times during tournaments, in our matches he glitch returned very often, especially when big points were played.

He even complained about me glitch returning (although I did not, but that's not the point). I guess someone who is using this term is well aware of what it is. So, it is kind of strange reading such a topic from him.

No one ever mentioned you played glitch returns? Come on...

Yes, of course, you are absolutely right.
Glitch Returns are ALWAYS the fault of the Server, thats why it is called Glitch RETURNS. Yes, finally we have the answer

The glitch return is because the server pre press when the return is deep.
So it's the fault of the server, you're right.

[omidje90]

I played Omidje a few times during tournaments, in our matches he glitch returned very often, especially when big points were played.

He even complained about me glitch returning (although I did not, but that's not the point). I guess someone who is using this term is well aware of what it is. So, it is kind of strange reading such a topic from him.

No one ever mentioned you played glitch returns? Come on...

Yes, of course, you are absolutely right.
Glitch Returns are ALWAYS the fault of the Server, thats why it is called Glitch RETURNS. Yes, finally we have the answer

If you've read good, you should understand that i mean that I never have this problem against me ! So from my side .. But you are living in your own world i guess.. Besides that, Firderis never complained about glitchy returning towards me untill this point, he was only complaining about dropshots, what in my opinion wasn't correct..but thats another subject.. I smell some kind of immature teamplay, but do your thing, i am to mature for this kind of crap.. The most of the peoply on this site know that i am an fair and friendly player and don't play unfair on purpose..