S&V coach Michael Kelly

[supinesmokey13]

well in my opinion it would be good to have a 89 or 90 cap on every stat except stamina, but im not sure if i have an objective opinion since i use svk / sc 88 power setup.

thing is i got this power because after i spend the points for this coach i get better wings if i put the extra points in OB instead of DB. which is a bit strange.

anyway, for power players or volley players, the permanent crazyness of shots gets unreal when you are over 90 i think

Maybe its a good idea to accept all the coaches and make an rule that its not allowed to make one thing higher than 85 or 90 besides stamina or something..

that wont work 18/2 michael kelly give volley 94 naturally and i still dont see why your complaining set your return game up sv is not the strongest setup in the game sure the recent continuous abuse of drop volley due to their easy execution is not fair .

but just cause you struggling to beat is not an excuse to ban the coach .for first in topspin history sv is a factor and people cant handle it with the exception of drop volleying all other aspects of being a good sv player need practice and skill.

it cant be abused like TI/MD with exception of drop volleys. they have already banned one sv coach leaving only 4 or 5 compared to the many baseline setups left .

and it has been said if some drop shots you often you should be able to counter by standing closer to the baseline so it is easier to chase down and this is not like TI/MD when 90% of the tour used the setup and 90% of the tour play cheesy it is a small minority that should be dealt with.

[edlglide]

Has anyone using this coach won a single tournament? (outside of challengers)

[I_Zooloo_I]

yes i got beaten in final of a ws tournament by this one

btw i didnt say anything about banning this coach, just did react to the idea that it was easy to hold serve against him.

about the eventuality of a 90 rule, well, it would also kill some baseline coachs.

[ILuvBillVal]

One thing about the S&V setups:

The harder it is to break their serve, the easier it is to hold serve against them. They have absolutely nothing to hurt you from the baseline.

Rob, with Michael Kelly that's not entirely true. I actually saw someone on World Tour using him that had an 80/60 forehand backhand setup! Ahaha it was ridiculous.

[Rocketsfall]

Has anyone using this coach won a single tournament? (outside of challengers)

I've reached a 250 final with it in Atlanta (16 draw) but lost the final

[edlglide]

One thing about the S&V setups:

The harder it is to break their serve, the easier it is to hold serve against them. They have absolutely nothing to hurt you from the baseline.

Rob, with Michael Kelly that's not entirely true. I actually saw someone on World Tour using him that had an 80/60 forehand backhand setup! Ahaha it was ridiculous.

Yeah, but he probably had 40 power -- it's really really difficult to hit winners with that kind of power. You have to completely wrong foot your opponent. My female with him has 70/70 wings, but I still almost never hit winners because of the 40 power. Even when hitting a power shot cross-court most players can get to it because it has such little pace.

Either way, I don't think this coach is any more overpowered than the others one most ITST users play with. In fact, I think if it was as easy to win with as some of you guys are suggesting, you'd see FAR more players using it....especially on WT where people do whatever they can just to win, no matter how cheesy.

[ILuvBillVal]

With this high reflexes and wings he can hit amazing control shots where power doesn't really come into play much, thus much more easily allowing him to set himself up for a volley. I don't think the coach should be banned either, I just think he's a beast if you're a good net player.

[Dark-Disaster]

This is my set up so of course I have to defend it. The only setup that has ever been banned was monster defense/topspin invasion because it was constantly being abused. I don't know about you, but I haven't even met one sv player on ITST, much less one with this one. Although it probably is the best sv setup since it gives such great ground strokes and volleys, I still think it is too hard to use to have it banned. Also, it's not like this setup is invincible even if you use it well. I have met players that completely defuse my serve and volley. It's all really about tactics

oh, and I did win a tourney with this setup, my only tourney win

[Rob ITST]

Either way, I don't think this coach is any more overpowered than the others one most ITST users play with.

Agreed. How many "overpowered" coaches are there now? Welsh, Rabari, Babb, Kelly,......

Seems to me that if there are that many, then none of them can be considered overpowered. I think it's just a case of people not knowing how to play against certain styles, so when you have an extreme setup it seems unbeatable to them.

[oshiee]

s/v in this game is not in anyway grounded in reality. the physics are based on harry potter magic.


But i'm not sure it's that overpowered. I think some of it might be unfamiliarity since s/v is so rare to see in pro tennis. I'm guessing this thread is based on 1 player who uses this setup and is really good. But they are just really good so it's hard to tell if their setup is overpowered. Maybe one of the top players should try it and see how much it elevates their game.

[Dark-Disaster]

If we're talking about banning, ir/cps should be the first to go. That's all I see nowadays. On that same note, it's not as overpowered as monster defense.

[Alex-4487]

this coach is a joke imo even when you use passing shot sniper which is the best thing against this coach they still come up with insane winners from dumb places theres utterly no way to get past this type of player and the thing is he can be 10 feet behind the net and still hit volley winners from the strech looool utterly unplayable. so either we ban this coach or 2k sports release a patch to balance serve and volley and make it more realisitc like they did with the angles people used to get its the only way forward in my opinion.

[edlglide]

this coach is a joke imo even when you use passing shot sniper which is the best thing against this coach they still come up with insane winners from dumb places theres utterly no way to get past this type of player and the thing is he can be 10 feet behind the net and still hit volley winners from the strech looool utterly unplayable. so either we ban this coach or 2k sports release a patch to balance serve and volley and make it more realisitc like they did with the angles people used to get its the only way forward in my opinion.

I think the easiest thing to do would just ban any stat above 90. The only problem is that there are only a couple of true S&V coaches and I think they may all give you volley over 90. Basically every other set-up makes you create an all-around player.

Regardless, any stat over 90 (with the exception of speed and stamina) is a little bit cheesy. If I remember correctly, none of the pros even have that except Federer's FH and Roddick's serve and power. And Federer's other stats (especially serve and reflexes) are significantly lower than they should be relative to what the other pros have, and I assume that's to make up for his godly FH.

[Ranma_Sao]

Just learn how to play against serve and volleyer! Most of you don't even know how to play them and whine ... I recently lost to someone badly and he had IR/CPS setup which is ,according to me, **** more imba. Problem is you rarely meet SV so you don't have many occasions to practice against them . Just try him and you'll see it's not that easy to win against good players. Playing SV is mainly anticipations +reflex and you need to practice a lot to be really good at SV.

[Alex-4487]

Just learn how to play against serve and volleyer! Most of you don't even know how to play them and whine ... I recently lost to someone badly and he had IR/CPS setup which is ,according to me, **** more imba. Problem is you rarely meet SV so you don't have many occasions to practice against them . Just try him and you'll see it's not that easy to win against good players. Playing SV is mainly anticipations +reflex and you need to practice a lot to be really good at SV.

sorry bout why lie when everyone can clearly see you havnt lost a match yet looking at your record on the mens tour because on this setup. so are you trying to hide the fact that you know this setup is a joke and trying to find a way to defend good try but not good enough. this setup is a joke because the grondstrokes should never be that high including the volley stat too.