Top spin 4: a bad joke

[ItaStallion]

^^^^And TS3 was not flawed?? Please all the Top Spin games have had flaws. Its just a matter of which you do not mind as much. Just because your not as good and someone else is at one version doesnt make them better at a more flawed game. It is what it is.

TS3 was not nearly as unrefined as TS4 is now! Hence TS3 didn't have any patch for gameplay...

Obviously the developers themselves felt the need to update TS4!

I bet the developers wouldn't have touched the gameplay until everyone started complaining

serves are too powerful, TopSpin Invasion/Monster Defence is to strong, Slice serves bring you out to far etc etc

just when people complain 2K want to keep the masses happy so they have started releasing patches

[andman666]

DRII, the reason there was no patches on gameplay in TS3 was because 2K was in the middle of moving their station to 2K Czech. You can clearly see the TS franchise got a huge commercial boost and also got more attention from the developers because they moved to 2K Czech (I'm assuming the office is better, bigger, more) 2K didn't pay attention to TS3 at all!
Ts4 is getting the attention it deserves, I bet, if TS3 was made in the improved studio, the developers would have patched stuff in TS3 as well.
I am glad their patching it

[DRII]

How do you know that andman.?

So far TS4 has sold fewer copies than TS3 did at this point of release...

[andman666]

I know it because the Admin on the 2Ksports forums said it.
And how do you know that TS4 has fewer copies sold than TS3 at this poinT?

[DRII]

And TS3 was out for like 4 years before TS4, right?

4 years to transition?

Maybe PAM got it right with TS3 from the beginning, of course not perfect nothing is...

[DRII]

I know it because the Admin on the 2Ksports forums said it.
And how do you know that TS4 has fewer copies sold than TS3 at this poinT?

It was discussed in another thread and someone posted a link, I think it was puttu sic, that showed the sales figures at week 10 for both TS3 and TS4 worldwide for both consoles...

[Lonamer11]

i for one dont find the game boring at all. there are a few things that needs improvement, but they also offer some great things.
from the beginning i said that they are lacking variety of the playstyle. serve form, backhand form, forehand form, it seems they only just used the top players form. Topspin 3 had a lot of variety on this part of the game.
also the L1 of topspin 3 was surely missed especially in the beginning. where you could run back to the middle of the court.
because the of the game diffulculty in topspin 3, rookies were easily swept away by topplayers, and now that the game has made a lot easier for others i think there will be more contenders.
The animation of topspin 4 is not its weakpoint i think. I found it rather a strong point in this game. From a one handed backhand point of few they have improved a lot. In topspin 3 you didnt hav that running backhand that they have now. Also the L2 button the inside out button is just awesome that topspin 3 didnt have. The volleys are extroardinary and diffucult so there is a plus point. Your timing needs to be perfect. the half volley are also awesome too see, the smashes are also good. Although performing a lob is very easy so you dont see them a lot.
The returning is also a plus point for me. The animation of it is awesome. you can also produce block returns of a very hard serve now which was also lacking in topspin 3.
I have played a couple of players online and here and there i see a unforced error, but its still not enough in my opinion. What would be great if they would change it, is that when you are late with your timing it will almost always results in a error. Because even if your timing isnt perfect you could still rally against someone who has been timing good or perfect.
its good too see that they change certain things in the gae through patches. D-pad control was definelty a must, although i was getting used to play without it. So we can hope now that they will improve even further and make everybody love the game.

[AndyMurray ITST]

I think TS4 is way more sim like than TS3. If you play real tennis then you would understand how to construct points and how shots play out during a point. Ts3 though it had more unforced errors, is pretty unrealistic. Thanks god the risk shots have gone because they were ridiculous and open to so much overuse/abuse. ts4 is more tactical , its a thinking man's TS3!

[ItaStallion]

I think TS4 is way more sim like than TS3. If you play real tennis then you would understand how to construct points and how shots play out during a point. Ts3 though it had more unforced errors, is pretty unrealistic. Thanks god the risk shots have gone because they were ridiculous and open to so much overuse/abuse. ts4 is more tactical , its a thinking man's TS3!

you took the words right out of my mouth

[beltic caldy]

ts4 is more tactical , its a thinking man's TS3!

with the greatest of respect, i rather think not.

[djarvik]

In my opinion, TS3 is SIM and TS4 is as arcade as they come. Granted, fun, but not even close to real tennis. Going for calculated risk is what tennis is. You don't construct points without minimal risk.

I like both games, but TS4 is VT3 glorified. And VT never smelled SIM.

[marlonbrando91]

In my opinion, TS3 is SIM and TS4 is as arcade as they come. Granted, fun, but not even close to real tennis. Going for calculated risk is what tennis is. You don't construct points without minimal risk.

I like both games, but TS4 is VT3 glorified. And VT never smelled SIM.

That what i said.Im 100% agree with that.


TS3 is sim in terms of building points and changing pace effectively and most of all know when turning defense to attack or changing momentum in the point.

TS4 is clearly arcade.

Im really disapointed.

This is not a question of level lost beetween the two games i dont care about it, just have fun and be as close as possible of real brain tennis.

Brain is not necessary in this TS4.Maybe cause i was a SIM fan in ToPSpin
TS3 suits better my vision of the game.

At a great level TS3 matches were unbelievable, except some things of course.


Im back online with sim battle online in TS3.And it seems there is lot of players who fail to meet expectactions considering the numbers of players on online PS3 TS3...

[chump101]

In my opinion, TS3 is SIM and TS4 is as arcade as they come. Granted, fun, but not even close to real tennis. Going for calculated risk is what tennis is. You don't construct points without minimal risk.

I like both games, but TS4 is VT3 glorified. And VT never smelled SIM.

Agree

[Rich Lewis]

Every time an iteration of Topspin is released everyone goes slightly nuts - some people like or love it, others hate it. Thats because they change the game completely every time. This is particularly annoying for the top players. They are used to being the best in world and having worked very hard to get there are suddenly forced to learn something new and aren't creaming everyone left and right. After a while things will settle down - the people who like the game stay, those who don't (or don't want to make the considerable effort again to master the new game) leave. For me I spend a long time getting good at Topspin 1 and then 2. When 3 came along I wasn't up for putting the hours in to learn a new game again. So I played other stuff for 3 years. Personally I am really enjoying TS4 - I wish risk shots were in and I would like ranked doubles and few other things but on the whole its great fun.

[DRII]

Every time an iteration of Topspin is released everyone goes slightly nuts - some people like or love it, others hate it. Thats because they change the game completely every time. This is particularly annoying for the top players. They are used to being the best in world and having worked very hard to get there are suddenly forced to learn something new and aren't creaming everyone left and right. After a while things will settle down - the people who like the game stay, those who don't (or don't want to make the considerable effort again to master the new game) leave. For me I spend a long time getting good at Topspin 1 and then 2. When 3 came along I wasn't up for putting the hours in to learn a new game again. So I played other stuff for 3 years. Personally I am really enjoying TS4 - I wish risk shots were in and I would like ranked doubles and few other things but on the whole its great fun.

Overall, I pretty much agree with what you've said here. But, there are or were some simply obvious flaws with TS4. Not just a deliberate decision amongst the developers to change things up. Lack of dpad functionality was a significant one, now that has been corrected. However, still remaining are the few serve and ground stroke animations for the men and the problems with movement. I don't think these would qualify as just changes created in a new game but more like mistakes or bugs or over looking something.

I do think TS4 is or can be fun, no doubt about it! Yet, 2k obviously feels that some changes or updates are necessary. Not just those of us who were top players in TS3.