Dennie is the best?

[ICEMAN_9588]

Cause ITST it's just an attempt to offer a more realistic tennis. But it doesn't neccessarily mean better tennis.
The fact is that the rules are not very well defined.

"Cheesy play" it's a relative concept.
In my opinion, if you have a Samala guy with 88fh, 80bh and 85speed, there's nothing "cheesy". Player setup allows you to create this kind of player, so I don't see the problem.
This is not more cheesy than using control shots. If you can do this, you can only use that type of player.
(Besides that, I agree avoiding some particular shots like serving from far corners, receiving using dropshots and lobs, etc.)

Anyway, it's ok for me to limit the setups of the game but, always in my opinion, it doesn't mean this is a "cleaner" way to interpretate Top Spin.
And I understand if some great World Tour/2K Open players don't want to join ITST

[C4iLL]

History has proven the great WT guys never do anything here, never ^^
At most they can reach top30-40, but nothing better...

[ICEMAN_9588]

Yes, I wasn't say a different thing from you, I was trying to say WHY they are in trouble here.
Cheesy is the word you like to use to explain that.

But I played a lot (and I mean more than 4000) matches in WT, some of the greatest players there don't use lobs during the rallies, don't serve from tramlines, don't abuse dropshots, don't do anything you consider "cheesy".
And still they play great.

But yes, some of them use Samala, Welch or 100 power (but I also know about fantastic players with Dipesa, Chesire, Neuwirth and Rabari as coaches). So you would say they win because of this? No, they win cause they're damn good using that kind of players.
I faced people with these coaches that were RIDICOLOUS, untalented, unbelievably easy to defeat.

So I come to this, during my experience in WT: it's not really about a matter of defense, offense, one coach, other one, it's all about personal confidence.
If I'm confident with offensive player, I'm gonna use an offensive player, if I'm good at defense, I'll be defensive.

And you can play extraordinary matches with this players without all that "cheesy" tactics you always talk about.
Every time I faced a WT great player I said "Well played" after the match, and my opponent said the same.
So I have to say, even if I think you still have not a clear and specific idea of what cheesy is, I agree with the limitations you imposed. No problem, I was not used to use them nor in WT.

But I think coaches limitation is not so much useful in order to see "who can play better".
Top Spin 4 allows you to create a player with 0-0-20 or 20-0-0, allows you to get Samala or Welch as coach, so it's all about who can take more advantage of this, in my opinion.

With that said, I still want to try to play in ITST and enjoy it. I think I can improve my game anyway, so why not?
But I don't think your idea of this game is "better".

[JohnCurveo]

ITST is more real tennis, why? because we play like real tennis matches. It's not the same play 3 setters 6 games than 3 games 1 set or 2.

I agree with u about BAN coaches, i think doesn't help the community, but, what can we do? It's not our job. I think the itst ps3 tour is becoming smaller because of rules. I've defended not BAN coaches and i was one of the few people that fight against new rules.

[ICEMAN_9588]

ITST is more real tennis, why? because we play like real tennis matches. It's not the same play 3 setters 6 games than 3 games 1 set or 2.

I agree with u about BAN coaches, i think doesn't help the community, but, what can we do? It's not our job. I think the itst ps3 tour is becoming smaller because of rules. I've defended not BAN coaches and i was one of the few people that fight against new rules.

I agree with your first statement, in fact I said it's ok to avoid that shots or tactics you consider cheesy. I'm not discussing that point, it's ok for me (not even in WT I use those kind of shots).

Of course I agree with all the rest of the post, but I wasn't promoting some sort of petition to re-admin banned coaches (obviously my points extends to players stats), dont' worry
I was just expressing my opinion, cause it's not right to say WT players win cause they play cheesy (ok, someone does, but in fact he CANNOT be considered a great player), cause to me, cheesy means using unfair shots, not playing with that particular coach or with those particular stats, or with those particular skills.

I hope I got myself explained, sorry for my hesitating English.