What is "Fairplay"

[wdob1985]

FairPlay- Respect for the rules Or equal treatment for all concerned

With all the problems people are having on the tours at the moment I wanted to get people's thoughts on what you class as "fair play"

[Marco_Theo_81]

Hmm...

If you lose 06 06 to recognize, that your opponent is clearly better then you and congratulate. Just nor leave the session without any words.

Finish a match in any case. I broke some matches cause the scc hits, no fun at all in that and a waste of time in my eyes. But maybe cause I am not able to avoid them.

Not starting playing cheesy at crucials and close moments in a match.

Not sending results that are not true to the hosts.

Keep smiling, cause at the end it's a video game.

greetings

[wdob1985]

Well said

[lucagiaco]

and enter in world tour with the player that play a itst match before play a tornament match.Fair play is the fun of the game.sorry my english.

[C4iLL]

In my opinion, there are 2 interpretations of fairplay in TS4, a technical one, and a psychological one.

1) Technical : not using overpowered tactics that can't be countered.

Tactics that desequilibrate the forces, that allow a guy to win whereas if he didn't use these tactics, he would loose for sure.

Example : multiple lobs and dropshots, serving slice services from tramline, utilization of the glitch or cheated characters... All this stuff can make a bad player win against a better one, and that's not fairplay at all.

2) Fairplay is also something less technical, it's the respect you show to your opponent. For instance, when you see your opponent is not playing (afk), lost the point, you give him the next point.
Things like that.

It's also playing in respect of the real tennis game : a guy who plays a dropshot, afterwards, a lob near the net, then another dropshot or lob in the same exchange, he's really not fair in my eyes. He doesn't understand Tennis at all and shows no respect to his opponent.

[djarvik]

Fair-play defined differently by pretty much everyone. Every single player here has his own definitions of what is fair and what is not. Sometimes these definition match, sometimes they don't. The reality is that we are are both, fair and unfair at the same time. C4il hates lobs, I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with them, in fact, I welcome them. So in his eyes I am unfair. Ary serves while holding the RB/R1 button, that to me is unfair, but not to him and a few others. Some think flat control shots are unfair, some don't. Some think that serving even once slice wide is unfair, some think serving slow is unfair, some think drop shots are unfair.

All this gets mixed up and blame is being thrown around left and right. At the end of the day, if we consider all of the above unfair - then we all are unfair and should be banned from the site, correct?

That is why we exists (the management). We try to make sense out of all this and structure it the best way we can. Implying that management is passive, to me, is considered as an insult. Why? Because we spend countless hours of our day, sometimes night, to solve problem between players, create tournament, maintain draws, moderate forums and so on. Without stop or break most times. I am still talking to Supermussy and by doing so I uncovered something that I would not have by ignoring his complaints.

The statement like "ITST is turning out to a place for cheesers" is as old as ITST itself. Yet, we are THE only standing community for avid tennis gaming fans. Ever asked yourself why? See the reasons in first paragraph.

We simply cannot accommodate each and every forum complaint. We cannot warn/suspend/ban players on demand, simply because "you" or anyone else considers what they do unfair. Even if you find another person, just like you, who thinks that a particular part/play is unfair, that is not to say that in another area of the game you and your supporter both disagree.

Fair-play to me constitutes of arranging your matches as soon as possible with a great consideration for opponents time, being there to play your match on time, maybe wishing a good luck to your opponent, following the rules established by management, finishing the match despite not being able to deal with opponent tactics (morally or game-wise), congratulating your opponent and thanking him if he congratulates you.

Any game-play disagreements should not be considered part of the fair-unfair stigma. They should be brought up on the forum, in a constructive manner, feedback should be given and the opportunity to discuss without accusations why a certain tactic should be not allowed. There should be a clear way of controlling and disallowing the tactic as well. And most importantly, if the tactic is not morphed into a rule - accept it, deal with it, find way to counter it and move on.

From management side, we are always looking to establish a pleasant fair environment in ITST. This requires time, effort, analyzation process and so on. This is not something we decide on spontaneously. We play the game ourselves and we have plenty of hosts who play the game. I can promise you one thing, we will keep trying and making this place as pleasant to play in as possible.

[fij and chibz]

I agree with you.
I respect all the time and effort every member of management put in, I am very grateful for it.. I love this site.
The problem I have is understanding how your opponent running around the court before you serve is deemed as 'annoying' and not cheesy. For me cheesy are things exploited on the game that simply couldn't or wouldn't happen in real life tennis.
You would never find anyone on the tour running around before their opponent serves, its clearly a way of off-putting your opponent which isn't allowed, for example serena williams shouting 'come on!' During her match against stosur in the US open - not allowed. Stosur got the point.
A lot comes down to respect which isn't always the case which is a shame, but there is a fine line between respect and cheesy which I think a lot of people are misunderstanding.

[Tamthewasp]

Fair is a state of mind and a general way of living your life. It is also very subjective as Al says not evry1 agrees on what is fair in this game. Respect and being decent. I played a guy a long while back who was playing cheesy and beat me, unfair yes. After the game we conversed and he offered me a re-match after I told him he was unfair and his style was not in itst spirit. This was a very fair thing 2 do.

Some people will always push on the boundaries of how close they can push the rules and how much they can get away with(polakis comes 2 mind here) and other people just play in a completelly fair way.

I think there is more fair people here than unfair but it is very annoying when you come up against 2 or 3 in a row. When I meet "unfair" I ask them why. I also tell the host and some of my complaints can get a bit colourful at times

So fairness is relevant state of mind that not evry1 will agree on.

[JohnCurveo]

I think fair play is congratulate your oponnent no matter what if he plays within the rules. Fair play is respect your opponent always and respect her style of playing.

Fair play is over any opinion.

[djarvik]

Some people will always push on the boundaries of how close they can push the rules and how much they can get away with(polakis comes 2 mind here) and other people just play in a completelly fair way.

Just want to point out, that pushing the boundaries of the rules IS playing the game. There is nothing wrong with that. For example, on serve, you must not cross the baseline, right? ...so you have a choice to make a step back, yet ALL the players will do the opposite, they glue themselves to the baseline when serving. Why? Same goes for hitting near the lines, which is essentially, pushing the rules of the game. Even clipping a line counts as "in" and the "unfair" doesn't come to mind right? ...even though the rule limit is truly pushed here.

The game itself encourages pushing the rules, any game, not only tennis. No exception. You need to do your best within the rules - which means playing very close to the "edge".

[Tamthewasp]

Yeah but point I think was missed. These rules you are mentioning are black and white. Ofcourse you have 2 push 2 the edge. Let's for talking sake there was a rule saying that you could only hit 10 drops per set here. You play till the score is 4-4 then hit 10 drops in the last game and a half. This would be in the rules. But would kind of be unfair aswell. Standing as far wide as legally possible 2 serve again within the rules but kind of pushing the limit of the rules.

It would be a great addition 2 be able 2 move your player back and forth while serving and have an option of foot faults.

Hitting lobs in rallies is not YET against the rules but are a very cheap and unfair tactic to get back in2 the point, this is where you hope common sense would prevail but sadly not.

Hitting lines is just being good at the game. I used 2 be able 2 hit lines all day an night long

[C4iLL]

Don't misunderstand me about the lobs Djarvik : it's a technique used in real tennis so I don't dislike that at all on theory.

In Tennis Elbow for instance, I play as a SV, and I've nothing against lobs : sometimes I loose the point because of a lob, sometimes not, but it's balanced, so people don't spam lobs on every exchanges.

The problem in TS4 is that they became way too difficult to counter and too easy to execute, whatever the position you are when you play them.

With the previous update, a lot of lobs were fault, or easy to catch as in real life. That was fine. Now it's the contrary : 80% of lobs played = winners even if you go back ! They often fall near the baseline !

People know it, and now completely abuses of that. And because of that, some guys here, play something like 3 lobs/game because no rule has been edicted.

I'm really sorry you don't understand that fact and still thinks there's no problem with lobs. And I don't understand why a rule has been made for dropshots and not for lobs as the problem is perfectly the same...

[Tamthewasp]

C4hill do you not find when playing SnV that the short returns at your feet are much more infuriating than the lob shot. Agreed it is very easy to lob now. But I don't think that it is as tough 2 counter as you say.

[C4iLL]

Nope the return in feet, I perfectly know how to counter that, and when I don't succeed to do that, I think there's no problem with that.

Lobs, there's nothing to do : you can get them and play a smash (only 10-20 % of the case), you can get them and play a weak volley (10-15% of the cases) you can get it by going on the baseline (10% of the case) and the other cases, it's an easy winner...

[Rob ITST]

If someone is "spamming lobs", then why don't you just back up a bit and smash them away? I mean, if they are really abusing it, then you know it's coming, right?