Anyone else really struggling with the changeover..

[Mack2300]

..from topspin 3 to topspin 4?

I just can't get to grips with ts4 at all and the game has been out for almost 2 months already. Everything I was good at in ts3, such as good movement and anticipation, I know completely suck at. My player just won't move for ages after hitting the ball and goes the opposite direction when returning(for an outwise serve he will move towards the T). It seems no matter how much I invest in speed, he still moves sluggishly.
The timing on control shots seem to vary massively from match to match. In fact, I can time them perfectly offline but once I play online, just can't time them at all.
I've tried set up after set up but nothing changes..still can't win a single itst match after 2 months:o
Sorry, just needed to vent and maybe get some reassurance that other ts3 players are struggling with the change

[Moralspain]

i am too, and mainly for the same reasons

[Coolhand Texas]

Im in the same boat with you mack, in fact I think Im worse. you seem to beat me when we play

[Puttu puttuu]

yeah on the same boat man . Just need to be patient and keep playing.

[willjonesjrSUSPENDED]

I havent been completely struggling but the game just feels and plays so strange. You cant completely go for broke and you cant really hit out. The reflex thing is just plain weird. I played ts3 yesterday against an all 100 except stamina, volley, and speed. You know, the usual. I beat him pretty easily as he made aton of errors while I defended pretty well. He had like almost twice my winners but I won more points. Play like this is an impossibility in ts4. It is just flat out unrealistic and base level strange. I beat maf the other day in straights in ts4. After I won, I apologized as I never beat him in ts3 and I know he is a better player than me but he couldnt go for broke like he used to because the game wont let him. For the first time I had more winners than him. That was super lame.

[Kota Merl]

I'm new to ITST and to TopSpin. I played TopSpin 3 a little when I rented it but never online. I was really excited when 4 came out and was really wanting to get into the game and online play.

I admit I don't put the amount of time into it that a lot of the good players here do but I've put enough time in to where I should be able to compete a little. Well...I can't. I completely suck at this game for the exact same reasons that you list.

It has to be something I'm doing wrong though and not the game. I get my ass kicked on a regular basis in the tournaments here as my 1-6 record shows. I just wish I knew what I was doing different then the guys that are pushing me all over the court.

I share your frustration!!

[Chederer]

i can not come to grips with this game either....personally i dont like it---movement is crap---returning is crap----serving is crap

[djarvik]

CHEDERER?!?!

[Chederer]

lol....sorry man---ive only had the game for a week now and i have the same problem as mack with the movement. i go the opposite direction of the ball nearly 90% of the time...its almost as if the movement is too touchy...and i mentioned something the other day about the returning being a bit weird...i just need to keep playing. i just want to put the damned ball away DOWN THE LINE and i cant do it

[djarvik]

Yeah, I need to play you. Played Joe yesterday against Aggasi with my custom Yuzni, won 6-2 ....and he is beating you 6-0?

Lets play tonight, maybe I can help to speed up your progress.

[Chederer]

all right....maybe i need a new controller? ill stop at gamestop on my way home

[djarvik]

To be honest, I am also in the same boat. I mean I win matches...but never feel as comfortable as I did in TS3.

In TS3 I truly felt in control, I felt I could create points, I felt I could switch tactics, from defense to offense, I felt like I could counter-punch and so on.

In TS4 it all feels so pre-determined. The rallies I mean. I just know where the rally is going and I can see the point unfold before it happens, but sadly, I don't feel I have much control to drastically change the outcome.

Biggest issue for me is not even creating points, I can do that with the best of them, problem is, that now no ones misses. So that takes away a lot of point creation and makes it all about opening up the court by pulling opponent off of it. Which is fine I guess, but is only one way to score. There are many, many more ways.

In TS3, I could make ANYONE miss shots. I could employ strategy of confusing opponent into miss-timing the shot, the risk. I could hit the same "control" shots (even thou I was one of the few that did, most didn't) but have the "right effect". The effect of changing pace from a booming risk to a soft short spiny shot and having your opponent pre-press at baseline and simply look silly.

I could go on for pages.


TS3 had TONS of things wrong with it, but one thing was very right. It still the best SIM on consoles to date.

TS4 has the potential. but it is being killed right now with H U G E timing windows. Too early, too late - it dont matter - it all goes in!

A simple shrinkage of timing window can make TS4 superb! ...but that will displease most "gamers" as they are looking for more "accessible" tennis game.

[Coolhand Texas]

Speaking of timing, i hit a ball that said too late and it went directly on the line for a winner. I was like WTF??

[djarvik]

Speaking of timing, i hit a ball that said too late and it went directly on the line for a winner. I was like WTF??

That is the "core of all Evil" in TS4.

[Chederer]

i know what you mean coolhand....ive noticed the shot timing differs depending on how close or far you are away from the ball