Comparing the glitch set up with the update

[LokiSharpShootr]

So is the AO on hold while somebody makes a decision?

PS: I can invite everybody who is going to play me if that makes you feel safer...

If its to ur house then...umm.no

What you talking about cheater? You dont know where i live, you dont know me, youre not god, the only thing you do know is whatever you tell yourself about me to make you feel better.

Are u coppercab?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM 

See 0:39

Gotta admit that was pretty funny.

And Bretton just to remember you: Illubillval, Fifa Tee, Jimbo have already stated that you play cheesy so you be quiet will you?

Mike and Berson were also disliked when they played here, everybody thats very good at something is always disliked by the try-hards like you.

And nice calling me a cockroach over internet, your such a bad-boy arent you?

[jayb1988]

No it's possible if there were two it would just be two pre patched players. Basically just look at the things that were changed in the patch, consider them undone and that's a bit what a pre patched player would look like. In essence it makes Rabari a monster all over again as he was at that time. Power players with lower wings can still get great angles similar to a DFB plus have much more power. Also the stamina fix is undone so players will be faster for longer and in my opinion this is typically the most noticeable trait of the glitch.

The possible resolutions I would see could be any of the following:
1) ITST Staff figures some TRUE workaround to this aside from a good faith game launch into the World Tour hoping for the best.

2) 2K just completely gets rid of the balancing updates. A lot of players from the past would probably love this and it would probably be their easiest solution. The game would become a bit less SIM but at least everything would be fair and settle down a bit.

3) 2K either eliminates the possibility that a player can even be allowed into a match without the update, or just makes the update occur when you start your game therefore you are forced by XBox or PSN to update and keep it that way. I think I'd hope to see it done this way.

4) No clear fix is determined. No solution is deemed necessary by 2K and this tour either quickly scatters into obscurity or ITST completely shuts it down and focuses on the next tennis release.

This is the only option as far as I'm concerned, I thought it was odd in the first place when I noticed one day that the servers were broken and I couldn't get into World Tour but Player Match bypassed the connection process entirely. I don't think this would take too long to implement either, as it would just be a case of the people running on the old updates to download on starting the game up next time to put them on parity with everyone else.

Why on earth is it not like every other game which forces you to update during the loading screens? If someone doesnt want/can't update for whatever reason then they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the online section of the game, otherwise this kind of thing will keep happening.

It really angers me the lengths people will go through to be better than everyone else at this game, whether it be through overpowered coaches, keeping old updates or one I recently spotted in WT, entering and exiting quick matches to boost your points in the leaderboard, seriously get a life!

Whatever happened to just enjoying playing the game and having competitive matches, win or lose? Surely if you win through cheating then any victories and tournaments gained would be pointless because they are completely undeserved and unearned.

There are so many childish arguments and wild accusations on these forums, remember that this is just a game and dragging peoples names through the mud for the sake of it is just not right. No one really knows who is using this glitch but I'm sure it's alot more than the people who are regularly being mentioned, of which I believe some of them are just very good players and people are looking to this as an excuse for their own losses.

[Avinash PatelBANNED]

No it's possible if there were two it would just be two pre patched players. Basically just look at the things that were changed in the patch, consider them undone and that's a bit what a pre patched player would look like. In essence it makes Rabari a monster all over again as he was at that time. Power players with lower wings can still get great angles similar to a DFB plus have much more power. Also the stamina fix is undone so players will be faster for longer and in my opinion this is typically the most noticeable trait of the glitch.

The possible resolutions I would see could be any of the following:
1) ITST Staff figures some TRUE workaround to this aside from a good faith game launch into the World Tour hoping for the best.

2) 2K just completely gets rid of the balancing updates. A lot of players from the past would probably love this and it would probably be their easiest solution. The game would become a bit less SIM but at least everything would be fair and settle down a bit.

3) 2K either eliminates the possibility that a player can even be allowed into a match without the update, or just makes the update occur when you start your game therefore you are forced by XBox or PSN to update and keep it that way. I think I'd hope to see it done this way.

4) No clear fix is determined. No solution is deemed necessary by 2K and this tour either quickly scatters into obscurity or ITST completely shuts it down and focuses on the next tennis release.

This is the only option as far as I'm concerned, I thought it was odd in the first place when I noticed one day that the servers were broken and I couldn't get into World Tour but Player Match bypassed the connection process entirely. I don't think this would take too long to implement either, as it would just be a case of the people running on the old updates to download on starting the game up next time to put them on parity with everyone else.

Why on earth is it not like every other game which forces you to update during the loading screens. If someone doesnt want/can't update for whatever reason then they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the online section of the game, otherwise this kind of thing will keep happening.

Yes option 3 cud work but the fact tht the programin team hv not already implement it tells me that perhaps the architectur of ts4 is build so that it cant prompt u to download the latest patch until aftr u enter menu screen. So wht I'm sayings is that they might need to re publish ts4 as a new Xbox disc sold in stores if they want to achieve no3. In tht case perhaps let ts4 die and bring out ts5.

I think option. 2 is best.

[jayb1988]

No it's possible if there were two it would just be two pre patched players. Basically just look at the things that were changed in the patch, consider them undone and that's a bit what a pre patched player would look like. In essence it makes Rabari a monster all over again as he was at that time. Power players with lower wings can still get great angles similar to a DFB plus have much more power. Also the stamina fix is undone so players will be faster for longer and in my opinion this is typically the most noticeable trait of the glitch.

The possible resolutions I would see could be any of the following:
1) ITST Staff figures some TRUE workaround to this aside from a good faith game launch into the World Tour hoping for the best.

2) 2K just completely gets rid of the balancing updates. A lot of players from the past would probably love this and it would probably be their easiest solution. The game would become a bit less SIM but at least everything would be fair and settle down a bit.

3) 2K either eliminates the possibility that a player can even be allowed into a match without the update, or just makes the update occur when you start your game therefore you are forced by XBox or PSN to update and keep it that way. I think I'd hope to see it done this way.

4) No clear fix is determined. No solution is deemed necessary by 2K and this tour either quickly scatters into obscurity or ITST completely shuts it down and focuses on the next tennis release.

This is the only option as far as I'm concerned, I thought it was odd in the first place when I noticed one day that the servers were broken and I couldn't get into World Tour but Player Match bypassed the connection process entirely. I don't think this would take too long to implement either, as it would just be a case of the people running on the old updates to download on starting the game up next time to put them on parity with everyone else.

Why on earth is it not like every other game which forces you to update during the loading screens. If someone doesnt want/can't update for whatever reason then they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the online section of the game, otherwise this kind of thing will keep happening.

Yes option 3 cud work but the fact tht the programin team hv not already implement it tells me that perhaps the architectur of ts4 is build so that it cant prompt u to download the latest patch until aftr u enter menu screen. So wht I'm sayings is that they might need to re publish ts4 as a new Xbox disc sold in stores if they want to achieve no3. In tht case perhaps let ts4 die and bring out ts5.

I think option. 2 is best.

Every other Xbox game I've played utilises this method of update, it can't be that hard to implement into TS4 surely. The only problem I could see is if they had to roll back the updates for people with the latest one already installed, then put everyone onto the newest version with the new download method, that may be tricky but hopefully that wouldn't need to happen.

TS4 is a damn good game, don't really understand the stick it gets, I love how the game machanics work now, I think it's evolved into a top game aside from the speed issue still not being resolved (my player has speed in her 40's but seems to chase down everything). The only other things lacking are a licensed Wimbledon and better overall presentation such as improved head to head stats with other players and things such as aces leaderboards which I'm sure were in the older versions.

TS4 is a game worth fighting for, I don't think I've ever played a game that so well reflects the adreneline rushes of a sport, the roller coaster matches with changes of momentum, the epic rallies and killer shots, its all there and it's bloody addictive. I don't care much at all for EA's Grand Slam Tennis, or Virtua Tennis, this is the real deal for real tennis fans who want a proper simulation of the sport.

[jayb1988]

SchwingerMongo, some guys also use it on PS3. A jerk is a jerk, whether its on xbox or ps3... But you are right, it is going to be the end of the ITS4T. Yesterday a guy tried to make it to me, it was a bit scary how he insisted for being invited. Him : "Please invite me" Me: "Set the game first..." ( he was on the dashboard) . Him: "Please invite me ok??" Well i did invite him after he set his game, and he did get punished. Gamers...

This glitch has opened up a massive can of worms! I keep thinking back to all the times someones been saying 'invite me' before a match and it makes me wonder how many times I've been done by this cheat.

If a player can enter world tour with a pre-patched character then I have huge suspicions on someone I played the other day. I thought he was just too good and didnt have any reason to suggest otherwise because I know he connects to WT, but before our ITST match he backed out to the dashboard from TS4 and asked me to invite him...why would he need to do that?

I don't want to mention names on here but if any managers want a more detailed PM then I can send it over.

[ILuvBillVal]

For now the best remedy I can think of is the following:

You and your opponent both start on the dashboard. One player enters TS4 and promptly connects to the World Tour. The process should read something like "Top Spin 4 - Navigating Through - Playing the World Tour" all in succession. Once that player is in you'd do the same and they'd monitor your progress. At this point when both players are in the World Tour, one player would simply exit and send a player match invite to the other. This shouldn't take long and I believe that in order to actually glitch that player would have to exit all the way out to the menu before beginning which would be quite noticeable.

[zguen]

Also staying on topic I'd have no problem with all tournament activity being suspended until this is resolved. I think it's a good idea.

Maybe not a bad idea, because I'm starting to have paranoia. Tonight I and zguen played an ITST match (he invited, I proceeded as I suggested above) and since I won the first three games easily I thought "I hope he is just rusty and it has nothing to do with that glitch..." and it turned out that he was just rusty in the beginning. I'm good at identifying the differences between playing with the new balancing and initial balancing, but I don't want to have to think about it while playing an ITST Match.

You are totally right. In the last days, i've spent most of my time thinking "oh should that shot be possible or not?" and stuff like that when i was playing ITST matches. It's just boring. I think i am going to quit ITST until this prob is resolved (and i'm dead sure it won't be, since 2K showed us debug isn't in their vocabulary) because it's getting creepy in here.

Come on guys - you know who you are, you who win 6-0 6-0 6-0 all the time against good players, which is actually kinda suspicious. But looks like only few people are aware of the deepness of that problem. A few days ago, it made a friend of mine, who hasn't won a 2 games in a match against me for 6 months, just DESTROY me.

With that glitch, ITST has become nothing but a waste of time. I think the tournaments should be frozen until a fair solution is found.

But now i do understand why i received so many "invite me" lol. Damn, what a shame.

[zguen]

For now the best remedy I can think of is the following: You and your opponent both start on the dashboard. One player enters TS4 and promptly connects to the World Tour. The process should read something like "Top Spin 4 - Navigating Through - Playing the World Tour" all in succession. Once that player is in you'd do the same and they'd monitor your progress. At this point when both players are in the World Tour, one player would simply exit and send a player match invite to the other. This shouldn't take long and I believe that in order to actually glitch that player would have to exit all the way out to the menu before beginning which would be quite noticeable.

Sounds like a pretty good solution, not to say fantastic if it works, but what if one of the players launches the game by being invited by a third person? Won't he be glitched even if he goes to WT ?

[ILuvBillVal]

Well that's where things get sketchy obviously. With a method like this it's the "time between" that makes all the difference. A guy who starts up his game and goes right to the World Tour will do that MUCH faster than a guy who gets invited, chooses a character, backs out of a lobby, backs out of character select and THEN enters World Tour. So yeah it's a pretty extreme method but come on guys I'm sure you can hold that giant crap in until you've both reached the lobby and then make a bathroom run.

[ILuvBillVal]

And this should go without saying, but - NO HIDDEN PLAYERS.

[LokiSharpShootr]

Im not going to stop playing here just because cheaters need an advantage to win.

Its the same thing as people who tramline serve and go out width every time, yes it is annoying and yes it gives you and unfair advantage but good players find a work-way around that.

If my opponent wants to glitch just bring it on you fags im going to play fair and still smoke your asses.

[zguen]

Well that's where things get sketchy obviously. With a method like this it's the "time between" that makes all the difference. A guy who starts up his game and goes right to the World Tour will do that MUCH faster than a guy who gets invited, chooses a character, backs out of a lobby, backs out of character select and THEN enters World Tour. So yeah it's a pretty extreme method but come on guys I'm sure you can hold that giant crap in until you've both reached the lobby and then make a bathroom run.

Hell yeah. You got it ! Unless there is another way to crack the game, which wouldn't be surprising, i think it effectively is the best way to play fair, finally.

And yes, this is an extreme method as you say, but imo people who want to take the risk to get screwed unfairly are free to choose not to do that manipulation. But it definitely must become part of the rules, at least people must have the choice to force their opponent to do it, even if, for sure, it's sad we have to do that.

[zguen]

Im not going to stop playing here just because cheaters need an advantage to win. Its the same thing as people who tramline serve and go out width every time, yes it is annoying and yes it gives you and unfair advantage but good players find a work-way around that. If my opponent wants to glitch just bring it on you fags im going to play fair and still smoke your asses.

Did you try to play against someone who used that glitch? If he can hit perfects, or even goods, wow he will gape your butt. It actually isn't the same game he and you will play. Angles become crazy, the power is double, etc. It's way more unfair than tramline serves or other things that are forbidden on ITST. EDIT : i read you again, and actually your determination for atomizating cheaters could make the difference on your side .

[ILuvBillVal]

This is true but it's not impossible to beat someone using the glitch, just much harder! The way I calculate I'd say if you took two completely evenly skilled players and pitted them against one another if one used the glitch, the other player's chance of winning would decrease to somewhere around 20%. Normally in that instance it would obviously be 50% so the glitch makes a serious difference especially when the skill levels are pretty similar.

[LokiSharpShootr]

Im not going to stop playing here just because cheaters need an advantage to win.

Its the same thing as people who tramline serve and go out width every time, yes it is annoying and yes it gives you and unfair advantage but good players find a work-way around that.

If my opponent wants to glitch just bring it on you fags im going to play fair and still smoke your asses.

Did you try to play against someone who used that glitch? If he can hit perfects, or even goods, wow he will gape your butt. It actually isn't the same game he and you will play. It's way more unfair than tramline serves or other things that are forbidden on ITST.

Hmm, you´re right about that... do you wanna play? you with the glitch stuff and i with my welch guy? i can make the WT stuff while you watch me do it and i can invite you from the Dashboard.



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