Warm-ups (Xbox)

[Puttu puttuu]

Puttu puttuu ( Murray ) def Norberto ( Djokovic) 6-1 6-2

It was nice to have some long rallies with Norberto for once !

It's very early days but it still feels great to Norberto my opponent like that !

I used control shots to perfection pushing him to make errors. Nice match ! MUAHAHAHAH !

[Coolhand Texas]

Puttu puttuu ( Murray ) def Norberto ( Djokovic) 6-1 6-2

It was nice to be the one putting the beat down on Norberto for once !

It's very early days but it still feels great to Norberto my opponent like that !

I used control shots to perfection pushing him to make errors. Nice match ! MUAHAHAHAH !

This is what you meant

[Sherlock 117]

Sherlock 117 d. Rocketsfall 7-6(3) 6-3

We both used customs. Rocket used a Serve & Volley player with about 90-95 on serve.

We each had about 5 break chances in the matches. I was the only one to convert.

I have to say, it's actually really fun playing against a serve & volleyer, not because of wins or losses, but because of the types of points.

[Mack2300]

Sherlock 117 d. Rocketsfall 7-6(3) 6-3

We both used customs. Rocket used a Serve & Volley player with about 90-95 on serve.

We each had about 5 break chances in the matches. I was the only one to convert.

I have to say, it's actually really fun playing against a serve & volleyer, not because of wins or losses, but because of the types of points.

Whqt kind of player are you using Sherlock?

[Sherlock 117]

12/8 offense/defense. I'm using the coach that gives shot counter and longer, better. It puts my power at 88 and stamina at 87.

I have unbalanced FH/BH at 84/64 or something like that. Serve about 66, volley 39, speed 60, reflexes 62.

[oDEVLISHo]

I just beat Norberto on the ws warm up event 6-4 3-6 7-6.

We both used custom players - I know my 100 power character is going to get some stick but I think he was outplayed more than just plain overpowered. Norberto still serves 90% of the time out wide it was only a matter of time before I did something with it. It was still a lot of fun and very close all though in the tiebreaker it was pretty easy for me.

I knew within a few games that I had a shot in this match I don't think Norberto has that self believe at the moment he's got everything to prove just like everyone else. On another note I know this 100 power character is beatable BK showed me that the other night but I just had to try it against Norberto just to see. It's a warm tourney after all ; )

Also I beat sherlocks serve and volley character the other night 7-6 6-7 6-3 So it's not easy scorelines and in the matches espiecally againt sherlocks s&v player it was a good battle of styles.

[Hollaa Itz Mike]

I just beat Norberto on the ws warm up event 6-4 3-6 7-6.

We both used custom players - I know my 100 power character is going to get some stick but I think he was outplayed more than just plain overpowered. Norberto still serves 90% of the time out wide it was only a matter of time before I did something with it. It was still a lot of fun and very close all though in the tiebreaker it was pretty easy for me.

I knew within a few games that I had a shot in this match I don't think Norberto has that self believe at the moment he's got everything to prove just like everyone else. On another note I know this 100 power character is beatable BK showed me that the other night but I just had to try it against Norberto just to see. It's a warm tourney after all ; )

Also I beat sherlocks serve and volley character the other night 7-6 6-7 6-3 So it's not easy scorelines and in the matches espiecally againt sherlocks s&v player it was a good battle of styles.

using a 100 power is not fun for anyone...congrats

[oDEVLISHo]

Both Norberto and I thought it was fun so there's 2

[Norberto H]

Both Norberto and I thought it was fun so there's 2

Yes, it was fun, but honestly: you really think you outplayed me more than overpowered me? For sure MUCH more than 50% of your serving games were: serve, return, crushing winner... your shots, especially your forehand-shots (90+) were so fast, I couldn't even react sometimes eventhough I was there...

Of course, the best of the best might be able to beat such a set-up using a "normal" one themselves, but against the other 95% of the members here this is going to be a slaughter-festival - unless they are using this setup themselves. And I think if one of the best like Joker (he was using a 98 power+serve char in an exibition match against me once), is using such a char, then the fun is finally completely gone -for everyone, believe me...

Everyone here knows that I love the power-game...forever.... but such setups are too much, even for me. IMO the highest "supportable"power-set up I played so far was the one Retos uses (of 15/def 5/ instant rocket/ crushing passing shot), he is damn good but still I could hit with him, in the end I lost 4-3 3-0, but it did not feel like I was only overpowered but outplayed - sorry Devilish, but against you I did not feel that way - just my opinion, of course I accept yours...

[Norberto H]

BTW, I think the power setups work better on clay, eventhough those chars are slow they still reach many balls, while it is easier for them to hit winners..

[VillaJ100]

BTW, I think the power setups work better on clay, eventhough those chars are slow they still reach many balls, while it is easier for them to hit winners..

Like soderling?

[Sherlock 117]

Both Norberto and I thought it was fun so there's 2

Yes, it was fun, but honestly: you really think you outplayed me more than overpowered me? For sure MUCH more than 50% of your serving games were: serve, return, crushing winner... your shots, especially your forehand-shots (90+) were so fast, I couldn't even react sometimes eventhough I was there...

Of course, the best of the best might be able to beat such a set-up using a "normal" one themselves, but against the other 95% of the members here this is going to be a slaughter-festival - unless they are using this setup themselves. And I think if one of the best like Joker (he was using a 98 power+serve char in an exibition match against me once), is using such a char, then the fun is finally completely gone -for everyone, believe me...

Everyone here knows that I love the power-game...forever.... but such setups are too much, even for me. IMO the highest "supportable"power-set up I played so far was the one Retos uses (of 15/def 5/ instant rocket/ crushing passing shot), he is damn good but still I could hit with him, in the end I lost 4-3 3-0, but it did not feel like I was only overpowered but outplayed - sorry Devilish, but against you I did not feel that way - just my opinion, of course I accept yours...

But like Devilish said, I played him with a S&V lady with one of my groundstrokes at like 45 (and the other at 65) and I definitely thought I had a good shot at winning the match, and even breaking his serve. I had 2 break points in the match, and several other games I was close. I had only played about 3 WT matches with this style of player before the match, so I'm still getting used to it.

It's not easy to beat, and maybe could be toned down a bit, but I still think the power game isn't AS dominating as it was in TS3. In TS3 I felt that there was absolutely nothing I could ever do on return games, in TS4 I only feel like there is mostly nothing I can do.

[oDEVLISHo]

Both Norberto and I thought it was fun so there's 2

For sure MUCH more than 50% of your serving games were: serve, return, crushing winner...

So what’s the difference with your wide serve then cross court for winner? It’s practically the same game play. The reason why I think your were out played is because its when i didn’t use the power shots that I won the important points, and in the end your wide serve got broken and broken again in the tiebreaker, you have to agree with that...

On this occasion a got the better of you but I dare say you will time and time again kick my ass...

Were you the best TS3 player? Maybe…Were you the best 90/40 TS3 player absolutely. I would think twice about any banning of stats just yet. i would hate to see a replica of the ts3 leadboard where the person with the best wide serve wins...

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

Both Norberto and I thought it was fun so there's 2

For sure MUCH more than 50% of your serving games were: serve, return, crushing winner...

So what’s the difference with your wide serve then cross court for winner? It’s practically the same game play. The reason why I think your were out played is because its when i didn’t use the power shots that I won the important points, and in the end your wide serve got broken and broken again in the tiebreaker, you have to agree with that...

On this occasion a got the better of you but I dare say you will time and time again kick my ass...

Were you the best TS3 player? Maybe…Were you the best 90/40 TS3 player absolutely. I would think twice about any banning of stats just yet. i would hate to see a replica of the ts3 leadboard where the person with the best wide serve wins...

Devlish, I agree with you. I do have respect for Noberto as a competitor but I always said that he is only an outwide serve and amazing risker. With risk gone it is a different story.

I don't see the value or enjoyment from hitting outwide serves all the time and then following it up with a cross court - for me that is a desperate way to clinch a point and tons of people do it. Hitting serves down the tee are just a beneficial, especially in TS4.

[Norberto H]

Both Norberto and I thought it was fun so there's 2

For sure MUCH more than 50% of your serving games were: serve, return, crushing winner...

So what’s the difference with your wide serve then cross court for winner? It’s practically the same game play. The reason why I think your were out played is because its when i didn’t use the power shots that I won the important points, and in the end your wide serve got broken and broken again in the tiebreaker, you have to agree with that...

On this occasion a got the better of you but I dare say you will time and time again kick my ass...

Were you the best TS3 player? Maybe…Were you the best 90/40 TS3 player absolutely. I would think twice about any banning of stats just yet. i would hate to see a replica of the ts3 leadboard where the person with the best wide serve wins...

Devlish, I agree with you. I do have respect for Noberto as a competitor but I always said that he is only an outwide serve and amazing risker. With risk gone it is a different story.

I don't see the value or enjoyment from hitting outwide serves all the time and then following it up with a cross court - for me that is a desperate way to clinch a point and tons of people do it. Hitting serves down the tee are just a beneficial, especially in TS4.

Baghdad, you remember our last match? Did you hit A SINGLE non-outwide serve from the deuce side? I don't remeber a single one...

However, for me those serves are tough to deal with against SV players and super-power guys, otherwise a long topspin-or slice return to the middle of the court most times does the job to make it into the rally, you can't even compare the TS3 outwide serve with the TS4 one....

However, in the end I don't care that much if those extreme-power setups are allowed or not, I think it is way more fun to play this game with limited power, but all you guys know that in the end it is all about winning for me - the greatest fun...
Somehow I wasn't a fast started in any TS game, but eventhough I am not very good at the moment, I am pretty sure that I will find my way of being effective sooner or later (probably later ) and take this style to perfection, might be using a power char, might be something else, however, just in case it is going to be power game i go for, I can already hear people crying about the cheesy power-monkey Norberto H...