COACH ALTERATION PROPOSALS

[Sherlock 117]

Yeah Djarvik, I have to agree with these guys. Right now Quah is by far the stronget. If you weaken her a little bit, sure everything isn't going to be perfectly balanced still and there will be some "best setups". But then there will be a few competitive setups and the average setup will be closer to the top class of setups.

I don't disagree that there will be a new setup or two everyone will flock to. I disagree in that by weakening Quah I DO believe it will be a helpful change and bring the game more into balance.

If the devs would rather focus on changing the how the player stats affect things then fine. That will probably prove to be a far more difficult thing to change though.

I just want the game to get to the point where at least a 0/0/20 defensive baseliner can be competitive (hopefully not dominant though, that would be boring lol).

[djarvik]

You are right, there are several strong setups, but none of those are even close to being as overpowered as pei Jing Quah. If you weaken her stats she is still a strong coach, but not overpowered. I have played this game a lot and tried most of the useful setups the coach calculator spat out. People use the word overpowered too fast these days.

Again, this is a game, and like in most games there will always be some standout setups people can choose from. If you have that many options to chose from, a perfect balance will not be possible.
Weaken Quah and you are getting colose. I'm sure everything will be fine for most people then.

And for the sim people there is always the option for a sim tour with silver coaches...

I am not disagreeing with this. I just wasn't a fan of a few of your statements, that's all.

[djarvik]

Yeah Djarvik, I have to agree with these guys. Right now Quah is by far the stronget. If you weaken her a little bit, sure everything isn't going to be perfectly balanced still and there will be some "best setups". But then there will be a few competitive setups and the average setup will be closer to the top class of setups.

I don't disagree that there will be a new setup or two everyone will flock to. I disagree in that by weakening Quah I DO believe it will be a helpful change and bring the game more into balance.

If the devs would rather focus on changing the how the player stats affect things then fine. That will probably prove to be a far more difficult thing to change though.

I just want the game to get to the point where at least a 0/0/20 defensive baseliner can be competitive (hopefully not dominant though, that would be boring lol).

Well, yeah, I do agree that she is the strongest choice. I never denied it. I am just saying that simply banning her may not work. In fact, I am quite convinced it will not work. There WILL be others.

...so, I will do my best to convey the message to 2K that the coach needs adjustment. Hence this thread.

...and while we at it, just so the update would not be for one coach, lets think of other changes and /or additions to that part of the game.

This was the goal of the thread....but once again, we derailing it into "chopping the head off" that coach.

[Sherlock 117]

Ok, I can agree with that.

[tigerofintegrity]

I actually think a lot of the other coaches are quite competitive and only fall a little short of TI/MD. I think if you were able to take her down one notch (35 bonus attributes with less on FH/BH, I think +5 maximum over +15) you'll see there are several other coaches ready to take the mantle, not just one. I mean, I could be totally wrong. One might end up dominating again but you could be wrong too and there ends up being 4 or 5 or 6 good alternatives. I think take it one step at a time. Tone down Quah and see if we can achieve a balance first. If not then we can always identify the next problem and 2K can address that later. 'Fixing' all the coaches at once might be unnecessary and counterproductive.

What do you think to that idea?

[djarvik]

Never said "all coaches"

Have you considered making weaker coaches stronger?

[Coolhand Texas]

Never said "all coaches"

Have you considered making weaker coaches stronger?

wow that is deep

[Coolhand Texas]

I do agree with the other members that Quah needs to be tweeked a little bit. I like the idea someone had about taking away the 15 points she gives to each wing.

Its hard to attack somebody when each wing is above 75.

[AUSSIE_FABS]

ita doesn't use quah and he doesn't do too bad so it can't be that op.

[Crotatsuya]

That's because ita is overpowered and needs to be tweaked.

[Gahan1990]

I'd say take 8 from Back and Forehand away and put in 1 point in serve that would be fine
Or take the points there completly away and fill in some of these points somewhere else like +7 at speed or reflexes
I think the best way to balance a strong coach is to give less points in the stats like 35 overall

I edited her a bit, and put 4 points into volley, 2/2 taken from fh/bh.

Sorry, I wrote something long and cut it down to a understandable length while you posted, so I haven't seen it as I started to click on reply

I have to say as a Newcomer I like Top Spin 4 (I could make a thread or post in my thread if my opinion interests someone why I bought TS1 not TS3 but then TS4 and why I think TS4 is a good game and what I think that has to be worked out for a next game)

I can't stand the matches against players coached by Pei Jing Quah as you never have a good chance of getting points when they everytime do a short cross Top Spin, with my player which is just good for some serves and inside out strokes I haven't found a good tactic against these players

The other matches which are also a lot of fun (not) are player with 230km/h + serves but actually you can win against them if you send them everywhere to the court and read their serves because most time they are making a wide out serve from the default position or from the tram line

I miss good volley coaches (for me)
I like to play with Becker he has got powerful strokes with ok hands, some kind of a good volley (71 I think) and a good serve
Actually if I could, I would like to have a player like Becker but just faster and with more endurance while the power haven't to be 81 but more at 65 or 70, the fore and backhand could be at 70/60 with a helpful volley ability
I can't stand the coaches with spectacular volleys and a non volley ability it's seldom when I would play with Sampras or Becker or someone else with that ability that he will jump and will make the point
I think you can attach this ability with another volley ability but not with a non-volley ability as it doesn't give a grip against very much of the players in my opinion
With that I mean coaches like Egan (Spin Serve Master) or the korean one (with Return Counter) I don't think that there are players with these coaches as they give also not that good points even with 50 points to give

When I make a volley player through the calculator (thanks to Till for this at the beginning I had hundreds of created players and notes ) I never got a volley player I could live with
They have the most time bad endurance while the speed is ok, but strokes which couldn't "kill" a fly and are just bad

With my player I have 3 coaches completed:

Ben Fillion, the 2nd player I like to play with after Becker is somehow Ivanovic good strokes and the inside-out ability makes this stroke even better, my player is a bit slower and the hands aren't good but more powerful, played 4 matches against ITST members and failed badly while I played with Ivanovic at the 2k Open and won 2 from 3 matches while I lost with Simon against someone using Jankovic
I know I have to vary my serve but I thought at first it's not good to serve from the T to (I don't have the exact name) the "service" T in the middle with the stick serve or the slice serve so I served the most time wide

Peto Chesire, he has the Top Spin Invasion and Poisoned Slices he gives good points on the hands but somehow I can't feel that he makes the Top Spin better or even the Slices, most time when I play online the World Tour coached by Fillion and I slice, the other players hit them often out but with Chesire as a coach it doesn't seem that the slices make the other players having problems with the slices

Mathew Grody, I chose him as he gives the Master of Volley ability I feel the makes the volleys a bit better but most times when I rush to the net at the World Tour I have a perfect position and a good weak ball that just pops to my racket (I think I am the only one who is using a Head racket) so that it doesn't matter if I have Fillion or Grody as a coach as it's a 100% winner volley

At the moment I don't feel ok with anyone of them but the most with Fillion as I played with my first deleted player (Pre-Instant 20) and with my No1 player a lot

[Sherlock 117]

By the way, welcome Gahan! Nice to see another active member join us

[djarvik]

..and a good clean player too! Welcome man! I liked our match a lot.

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

..and a good clean player too! Welcome man! I liked our match a lot.

Yup Gahan is a sound player for sure, we played a set against each other the other day. Nice to have real natural talent come on board.

Anyway, back to the topic...

[JJ_DUBZ_87]

Question to the MODS (the big-wigs of the ITST )

Is it possible to know what has been submitted to 2K in regards to feedback and suggested alterations??