Out-Wide Slice Serve from the Deuce-Side cheesy?

[o Sinna o]

Guys let's discuss this Serve.

I mean the Slice Banana Serve to the outside from the Deuce-Side.

I played VFBFan today and wasn't able to find in a Rally once when he used this Serve. An he used it maybe 20 to 40%.

Is there a Way to counter this Servestrategy? Because I didn't find a Way yet.

I notcied this Service the first Time as I played against Rafter (very hard CPU) and immediately called it cheesy but I don't want to jump on early Conclusions.

If you want to take a look at this Service then look in the Media Center and watch the Match vs FVBFan when he serves.

We discussed it during the Matches and we came to the Conclusion that I have no Chance against this Serve but I wanna know what you Guys think.

It's just about to find in the Rally against this Serve.

[SlicerITST]

At least it makes the game boring as hell. Its the same story over and over again with generally the same result. Come forward to hit the return early, run to the other side of the court and hope you are on time to get in to the rally.

To be honest, in every TS so far this has been the case and in every TS there was a way to counter it. So we should look harder. At the moment i try mixing it up (hard deep power shot, short cross court topspin or a slice to the opponent) and then run to the other side of the court and perform a slice. Then its just hoping your in the rally. Problem is when the opponent starts mixing up his serves.

[supinesmokey13]

At least it makes the game boring as hell. Its the same story over and over again with generally the same result. Come forward to hit the return early, run to the other side of the court and hope you are on time to get in to the rally.

To be honest, in every TS so far this has been the case and in every TS there was a way to counter it. So we should look harder. At the moment i try mixing it up (hard deep power shot, short cross court topspin or a slice to the opponent) and then run to the other side of the court and perform a slice. Then its just hoping your in the rally. Problem is when the opponent starts mixing up his serves.

i like the serve it aint chese especially if he stand in the default postion you just need to follow his serve pattern mix up where you stand on the return and at times look to cover that sere, however if he is going to sever stand way out left of the service line then yes that is cheesy, remember in really life jonny mac had a serve like that in the ad court and sampras had a serve like that into the deuce court so serving lie that is real in todays game michael llodra who does a big serve ,routinely uses the wide slice serve to serve volley 90-95% of the time and you dont hear guys complaining it;s chessy hey fed has started to uses that serve more often as well look at the success it had against nadal at the wtf

[jayl0ve]

I agree it does make the game boring as hell because it is so effective, but I also can't find any logical reason why there's anything we should or could do about it...it's just something you have to deal with in every tennis game, ever.

I have played guys in real life with nasty slice serves and it's just as annoying, they really can drag you out like 4-5 feet past the doubles alley if they hit a good one.

[ACERBOMB]

Well honestly if everyone just used certain tactics 20 to 40% of the time it wouldnt be so bad really. Most cheesers do the same thing like 90% of the time. I think a good strong cross court return can get you in to the point often.

[Sherlock 117]

The problem isn't the serve so much, it seems really counterable actually. The problem is when your guy gets stuck outside the doubles alley and doesn't move for 2-3 seconds.

[jayl0ve]

Maybe not pushing the stick back towards the center of the court so hard at first..? a la VT3?

Just a suggestion

[o Sinna o]

Well honestly if everyone just used certain tactics 20 to 40% of the time it wouldnt be so bad really. Most cheesers do the same thing like 90% of the time. I think a good strong cross court return can get you in to the point often.

Not if your Opponent rushes the Net.

It's like I said Guys I don't want to jump on early Conclusion but even against Rafter on very hard I can't do Shit against this Serve and that's played by the CPU! 2K supports the cheese!

If your Player wouldn't stuck after the out wide return action it would be another thing but such a Serve is hardcore. You don't see those Serves on the real ATP Tour today. I can't remember I ever saw such a Serve besides from a few old Legends in the Past.

Right now I can only say it's a really save Point for the Opponent if he mastered the full Technique to execute the Point with a Winner or Volleywinner after this Serve. And seriously I don't want to start to lob those Serves what didn't work anyway (I tried it against the Rafter CPU) or counter cheese with cheese.

But you will see what I mean and let me know if you really found a Counterattack for those Serves.

The best and first Way you can find it out is playing Rafter on very hard or even better by playing against a human who does it with purpose. He makes this Serve from Deuceside in 80 % of Cases and some humans perform it even stranger sometimes.

It's like I said it's to early to jump on Conclusion but you really have to keep an Eye on this Serve because maybe you have to report it to 2K in your ITST List.

Points which are so easy to make like a Penalty-Kick on a empty Goal don't support the Sportsman Spirit you know.

Even the hardest Flatserves in the Game are returnable and you can find in the Rally and I serve them 95 % of the Time but this Stuff is strange.

[jayl0ve]

I actually felt bad for you, watching that video.

I was like "Noooo not again..."

[o Sinna o]

I actually felt bad for you, watching that video.

I was like "Noooo not again..."

Hehe I wasn't pissed because of that but the Time will come there I will if I have no Counterattacks for this Stuff.

[Hollaa Itz Mike]

sinna...your player only has 40 speed, thats the cost of 98 serve and power...

[Wrathchild tw]

It's like I said it's to early to jump on Conclusion but you really have to keep an Eye on this Serve because maybe you have to report it to 2K in your ITST List.

Points which are so easy to make like a Penalty-Kick on a empty Goal don't support the Sportsman Spirit you know.

So this is a legal tactic that you think needs to be changed? I thought you said "The game is perfect" and "don't need to change, people need to adapt"... in fact I think you've said those things about 200 times already.

What if the outwide serve is my style of play? Why should I not be able to play my way because you're afraid to lose against a legal tactic? Why should rules changes be made when obviously it's possible to make a return on the shot, you just have to play better?

Any of that sound familiar at all?

sinna...your player only has 40 speed, thats the cost of 98 serve and power...

[Digitalboyy]

They do it in real tennis.

[o Sinna o]

sinna...your player only has 40 speed, thats the cost of 98 serve and power...

Hehe you think I din't try it?

Even if you have a Player with 100 Speed and Stamina you got no Chance to find back in the Rally if your Opponent knows how to execute after this Serve.

[VfBfan2009]