Control shots CONTROL the tour...

[BluudyEEfingaz]

Matches have become as predictable as a Zvonareva meltdown. I left for awhile only to return to the control shot fanatic league which is more like ping pong than any tennis game I've ever seen or played. These are slow shots deep into the court if not every point, every other point until eventually you tire your opponent and hit a winner. After a 50 or 60 shot exchange which is utterly ridiculous you notice that to win or even to win a game, you have to "join 'em to beat 'em" and that sizzles my panties. I mean, how is this exploitation any different than Monster Defense? Drop shots? Lobs? Defensive Lobs? Slow speed or tram line serves? Then there is always the opposed argument that these shots aren't easily detected. These shots rule the tour and most players can see a control shot a mile away...especially if these shots are used every shot. I don't understand why we aren't allowed to disconnect when this "cheesy" play occurs. These shots have killed and cheapened the tour. There's counter play and then there's ping pong...there is a difference. I played Khult in a match a lost but the play was such high quality and indeed he was the better player. There was a mixture of shots, net play and some power and cross-court exchanges. There may have been one or two control shots here or there but no excessive use of any, This has become nothing but a button-pushers fantasy and I'm shocked that there has been nothing done about it. Are we being heard? Or have the cool kids long graduated from this game and we're left to fiend for ourselves. The forgotten TS4 tour suffers.

[Rob ITST]

I don't see any way to possibly limit control shots. Even if you record the match, you still couldn't prove which shots were control shots. On a side note:

that sizzles my panties

Now, maybe we could ban fake approach shots. How do you feel about that?

[Furicle]

I think you have to accept the fact that TS4 is an arcade game, not a simulation, and therefore we shouldn't expect TS4 players to play tennis. If you want a simulation (or the closest game to simulation) you should switch to Tennis Elbow.

[JohnCurveo]

I agree with Furicle. What i don't understand is people crying becaus emy serve, big players, when they use control shots as hell. Some top players thinks R1 serve is not chessy and wide serve is. Then, they are returning from the line my 215 km /h serves. Come on.LOL
I have cried also, but then i try to apologize, every style of play in rules is FAIR. That's my opinion.

[BrushedBigJJ]

There actually is a way to detect control shots, but it would require almost everyone to change their character and it wouldn't work in the mss tour. If you forced everyone to create a player that grunted only on power shots. Under those conditions your ears could easily tell the difference between power shots and control shots. But I'm not so sure the rally count would go down.

[DennieFR1908]

I agree with Furicle. What i don't understand is people crying becaus emy serve, big players, when they use control shots as hell. Some top players thinks R1 serve is not chessy and wide serve is. Then, they are returning from the line my 215 km /h serves. Come on.LOL
I have cried also, but then i try to apologize, every style of play in rules is FAIR. That's my opinion.

BTW it's to bad you had your eyes closed in our match, I didn't use R1 serve one single time

[JohnCurveo]

BTW it's to bad you had your eyes closed in our match, I didn't use R1 serve one single time

As far as i can read myself, i didn't say anything about that. But ure right, i had my eyes closed and u got destroyed, hope next time ill have my eyes open, perhaps u don't win even a game.

[BluudyEEfingaz]

Now, maybe we could ban fake approach shots. How do you feel about that?

Personally I think things are becoming misconstrued when we use the word "ban". How about we say using any shot excessively that is not typically used in realistic tennis is "cheesy".

Rob, what would you consider a "fake" approach shot? If you're playing a point and you don't feel you can finish at the net and decide to play on the baseline? Would that be fake? Explain please...it's confusing.

[Rob ITST]

Holding the approach shot button when you have no intention of actually hitting an approach shot.

[BluudyEEfingaz]

Maybe 95% of baseliners use the RB button which is also a the same as the reposition button. Not sure how this can be avoided. Would you have a solution?

[Rob ITST]

So, you're saying that it's done accidentally by players trying to use RB only to re-position? I seriously doubt that's the case. You hold RB + a shot button for approach shots - you don't hold any shot button when you're just trying to re-position.

[bkristian]

BrushedBigJJ has a masters degree...

[BluudyEEfingaz]

Not by accident...it's deliberate. And when you have people who play short balls or continue short cross court balls it helps to hit the ball earlier than if you are playing behind or close to the baseline. RB has many uses...not just approach shots...only when you have the approach shots skill can it increase it's usage.

[ICEMAN_9588]

Now, maybe we could ban fake approach shots. How do you feel about that?

Personally I think things are becoming misconstrued when we use the word "ban". How about we say using any shot excessively that is not typically used in realistic tennis is "cheesy".

Well, that's not our fault.
With just a little bit of practice, I can play with 90% of first serve in. During a 5 set match.
With more practice, I can play with 80% of first serve in and an average speed of 210-215kmh.
Obviously I'm talking about advanced serves.
Same thing about the winner/unforced score: more than 100 winners in a 5 set match, less than 20 unforced.

This isn't realistic by itself. Plus, top players are even more skilled than the others, that means an unforced in 2 or 3 set

So, if you want to talk about realism, TS4 is not the game for you. Maybe TE is, but I don't usually play it and by the way, I still didn't understand why people have to say "TS4 sucks, start playing TE 2011" when you could definitely play both without any problem.
I mean, like it's a matter of life and death...

The biggest problem of TS4, in my opinion, is that it makes normal and routine shots that aren't so in reality.
Independently from control shots.

[ICEMAN_9588]

There actually is a way to detect control shots, but it would require almost everyone to change their character and it wouldn't work in the mss tour. If you forced everyone to create a player that grunted only on power shots. Under those conditions your ears could easily tell the difference between power shots and control shots. But I'm not so sure the rally count would go down.

Uniformity is not a solution.
But playing with similar characters would get ourselves closer to the reality, actually....