Do you think TS4 ITST rules must be changed?

by **JohnCurveo** » Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:00

Answer the question and discuss about it.
U think some coach is overpowered? Discuss it here!

For me, 2 options:

ALLOW all coaches or return to old rules.
DELETE 42 minium rule by max stats rule.

:idea:

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:22

Are you giving another try, John? :mrgreen:

by **JohnCurveo** » Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:26

It's a clear question, like Cro Morgan suggested.

YES WE CAN :lol:

by **Rob ITST** » Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:34

After so many rule changes for one game, I can only conclude one of two things: Either the game sucks, or the people who play it whine too much.

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:05

Changing the rules doesn't necessarily mean changing in a better way.
I'm talking in general.

People have complained about some tactics/setups/playing they have called "cheesy" (I suppose they have complained cause they realized they don't know how to handle some kind of shots, but let's go on), so you've changed the rules.
Or at least, that's what I suppose, cause I'm here since a few months.

What I didn't understand is which particular criterion you've based on.
You wanted to avoid extreme skills? So why a coach like Slavina is still available?
You wanted to avoid "cheesy" setups? So why "Monster Defence" is banned but "Reach Swings Expert" (which is pretty similar) is not?
You just listened to the majority of ITST users? So why are you (users) complaining now? Couldn't you think about this before?

by **BluudyEEfingaz** » Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:51

Honestly I don't think it's fair for people who no longer play TS4 or who no longer participate in TS4 tournaments to vote. I mean that's like me voting for Tennis Elbow issues or rule changes. I have no desire to play Tennis Elbow nor do I care what rules are in place because it doesn't concern me, so why do Tennis Elbow players care what is done for Top Spin 4 users? :roll:

by **Moralspain** » Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:46

why don't you make a list with all the rules you all agree with?, and also new ones you would like to add

by **BluudyEEfingaz** » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 03:21

Moralspain wrote:why don't you make a list with all the rules you all agree with?, and also new ones you would like to add

I think the majority of players would just like access to all the coaches. The 42 minimum rule and 90 maximum rule is fine...but players seem to want the options like in TS3...where it was a minimum of 40 a maximum of 90 but any skill could be at either...not just one grey stat.

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:10

Actually there is no rule about a maximum stat.
You can have more than 90 with Slavina, but also with Gallo, for instance (1-17-2, 4 points on FH side).

I agree with that, but I don't understand why coaches like Welch and Samala are banned, and Slavina is not.

Anyway I quote you about max and min stat with all coaches allowed.
Even if this will bring to situations like the majority of users creating players with Samala (1-4-15) or Welch (0-2-18), while coaches like Boskovic wouldn't be allowed anymore (or at least, it would be allowed, but only with one setup: 2-10-8).

So to me is better eliminate the "stat rule", but remain with banned coaches.
We could talk also about banning Slavina, but the problem is that the rules don't bann coaches, they ban skills. So, automatically, coaches that give you that particular skills, are banned.
To ban Slavina, you should ban "Sniper Passing Shots" or "Reach Swings Expert", and this would mean ban Boskovic too, in addition to Barrero and Durech.
Or, it would mean ban Zajic and Loureiro.

by **Painted Crystal** » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:02

I think we have to ban every player who hits every shot with perfect timing in perfect position

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:09

That's a cheesy tactic, for sure!
How can you face a guy just better than you?

It's obviously unfair

by **prince shah** » Tue, 05 Feb 2013 03:24

First of all, this game is nothing like ts3. The risk shot that made noobs hide in their bunkers is not there anymore. The control shot has become really overpowered. One button press from any side and 20 feet behind the baseline you can hit the baseline with a control shot that can only be effectively returned with a control shot only. Power cannot thrive anymore. You can even check the records. All the previously top ranked players with the highest all time season points non-itst are all control shot buff builds. For itst to make restrictions like this is a forced error. Tennis is a game of power. All the top 10 players have alot of power. You are not going to see floating balls coming off control shots in reality. It looks like junior tennis. All the angles in game are not possible even with a great like Roger Federer. Anything that hangs in the air is put away. Thats the lesson that every coach gives.

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:59

Come on, tennis is not only power. And the ranking himself prooves that.
I mean, real tennis.

But I agree with you about control shots. Fact is you can't avoid them, cause somethimes is impossible to be certain that a control shot is been used.
And they're not so easy as you say. To be done perfectly, it takes a perfect/near-perfect timing when you hit the ball, and sometimes it's not enough against huge accelerations.

When I joint ITST, I have slowly realized that Tour is almost all about control shots. So I simply tried to learn the best technique to use them, cause it's the only way to get achievements.

by **Painted Crystal** » Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:11

The reality is that even if the rules are changed the best players will remain best. The problem is not the rules but the "problem" is that there are many really good players here that will continue to win with any rule. Maybe it would be good to train more and try to improve their game and their tactics instead of continuing to complain and expect to lose only because it is a problem of rules. The real frustration is to play against Khult, Brushed, Sheba, Swifty, Burna and others who now seems to have left the field. Some players seem to play another game...
Changed the rules a couple of times since I attend ITST but has not changed the ranking, I think there's a reason ...
At the moment I think control shots are not so good like 1 month ago, perhaps really there's a new or old patch

Hi guys

by **ICEMAN_9588** » Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:46

Same thing I've said many many times since I'm here.
But a lot of users still think that setups make the biggest difference.

But I would only keep the forbidden shots (serving from tramlines, etc.)

PS But I don't think all these great players "play another game". I mean, they actually do, but they're not out of reach.
It's a matter of practice and patience. Obskur and Firderis (I'm just mentioning the top 2 seeds in Australian Open) didn't play their actual level since day one, I suppose.

And rules concerns nothing about that. The ones that count for me, count for them too.