R1 during Serve

[Tamthewasp]

This may be just a coincidence but why is that I am a great returner vs people that do not use R1 as a serve tactic. When my opponent uses r1 too setve but has no intention 2 volley 90% of my returns are only good. Even the perfect 1s are weak.
The players I have played against in pro matches or pro friendlies know I have a great return game. I hope even though fifa yee destroyed me in a friendly he will at least say my return is 1 of the best.

[Ary1g]

My R1-serves are better timed than my regular serves(because I've used R1-serve much more than regular). Which is why you might feel that you returned better on my regular serves in our latest match.

[Tamthewasp]

This is not personal Ary but merely a simple queztion

[Ary1g]

I know it's not personal It's just my thoughts about your question. The timing is quite different on R1-serves and regular ones. In my case, I serve much better with R1-serves, but I think R1-serves use more stamina than regular ones. Which is why I've started using more regular ones when I'm low on stamina. Also if you serve with low stamina, the serves are much less precise and easier to return than full stamina serves.

[Tamthewasp]

I really don't understand how any 1 can defend this
It's a cheap move. Also it's a very cheezy move

[Ary1g]

I really don't understand how any 1 can defend this
It's a cheap move. Also it's a very cheezy move

It's not cheap. Everyone knows it, everyone can do it. Any coach, any attributes, any skills. Just because you don't care to put in the hours learning it like me and Dennie(and maybe some more), doesn't mean you can call it cheesy. Learn it and stop whining.

Also, there's already a thread about this. This one should be locked.

[straightcash05]

I think it's a bit cheesy, mainly because your moving completely forward and if it's someone who comes to net maybe 1 time per 1 or 2 service games it affects where you'll return it because you think they're going to step back like they do most of the time.

Also it does seem that the returns come back weaker against r1 serves a little more often then
with a perfect timing then when they do against a regular serve with perfect timing.

I think it's a cheesy tactic to use more then half the time, let alone full. Now if people used it just once a game to make the opponent think about it some, I think that's fine. But if you're not actually going to come forward I think it's a bit cheesy.

[djarvik]

R1 serves are heavier, much like R1 shots. Kinda obvious. I mentioned it somewhere, bu an "army" of R1 users rushed to defense

[Ali-Iqb93]

R1 serves are heavier, much like R1 shots. Kinda obvious. I mentioned it somewhere, bu an "army" of R1 users rushed to defense

What do you mean by heavier? I hate when people keep using r1 serves while not planning to come to the net

[Biscaia_]

I think people should keep R1 Serving. It is natural to bluff coming to the net or not, as it confuses the response to the receiver.

If people used only R1 to come to the net, their move would be spoiled, since their intentions would be revealed prior to the shot...

If the R1 serve is stronger thank the normal one, since you know it beforehand (and you can the R1 serve coming), it is just a matter of practice before you start hitting perfects again.

(I don't use R1 Serving!!)

[DennieFR1908]

I never have any trouble with R1 serve. Ppl can use it as much as they want. Also not harder to return them then 'normal' serves or to quick to react.. . I don't understand ppl make trouble about such small things like this. Not even worth to discuss if you ask me.

[Corbon]

R1 serves are heavier, much like R1 shots. Kinda obvious. I mentioned it somewhere, but an "army" of R1 users rushed to defense

They're heavier as in faster? Besides, I feel like I can place them better, especially when serving straight down the T. Unless I am playing with Roddick, his serve motion is too awkward.

Edit: Knumber krunching!

94 Serve, 94 Power, female, 174cm

Recorded in Kiev!

Sample size was 20 each, perfectly timed risk serves, straight down the T, average speed rounded.

Without R1 button pressed: 172-199 km/h, Average 183 km/h

With R1 button pressed: 179-208 km/h, Average 192 km/h

Roughly a 5% increase. Hard facts to prove that Djarvik was actually right!

[Corbon]

R1 serves are heavier, much like R1 shots. Kinda obvious. I mentioned it somewhere, bu an "army" of R1 users rushed to defense

What do you mean by heavier? I hate when people keep using r1 serves while not planning to come to the net

You can argue this exactly the other way around: That the returner can see whether the opponent is coming to the net or not. Besides, an important and fun part while serving is to keep the opponent guessing.

[Biscaia_]

You can argue this exactly the other way around: That the returner can see whether the opponent is coming to the net or not. Besides, an important and fun part while serving is to keep the opponent guessing.

Exactly my point.

[Ary1g]

R1 serves are heavier, much like R1 shots. Kinda obvious. I mentioned it somewhere, but an "army" of R1 users rushed to defense

They're heavier as in faster? Besides, I feel like I can place them better, especially when serving straight down the T. Unless I am playing with Roddick, his serve motion is too awkward.

Edit: Knumber krunching!

94 Serve, 94 Power, female, 174cm

Recorded in Kiev!

Sample size was 20 each, perfectly timed risk serves, straight down the T, average speed rounded.

Without R1 button pressed: 172-199 km/h, Average 183 km/h

With R1 button pressed: 179-208 km/h, Average 192 km/h

Roughly a 5% increase. Hard facts to prove that Djarvik was actually right!

This merely proves that you have a better timing with R1 serves than with regular serves...

The timing is also different on R1 serves than regular serves. So a regular serve timing won't give the optimum serve using R1 serves and vice versa.

To further add upon this. Even if the timing feedback shows perfect, doesn't mean it is perfect. I can hit a perfect ace with pinpoint precision and the feedback sometimes show "Too late".